Balance premade and random teams

[Roodabega]

I think what might solve the issue is regardless if its prem vs pug, have the rewards be based off the point disparity instead of which team gets to 500 first. I've played plenty of scens where we've lost 20 to 500 and Ive wasted 5 minutes, get zero rewards, while the winner gets all of them? It's not my fault for getting in to a group where the tank is the dps and there are no healers while the other side has balance and 4+ healers. They are going to win, regardless of numbers! However, farming for points makes the scen more enjoyable even if the losing side knows they will both lose AND get a reward for actually playing the game! The closer the disparity, the greater the reward. The losers will get some emblems, the winners get more. But if the game is 20 to 500, the winner should get 1 the loser zero, or both get 1 because that match wasn't even a game! It was masturbating. Change the rewards and we'll have more people que if they know they won't be wasting time.

im in favor of this also it would give me more incentive to want to solo que instead of waiting for my guildies to log in or finding something to do out in the rvr scene(atleast while im working towords the incentives)

[Morf]

show me a screenie then. if you group with korze, you'll see 9 times out of 10 he just afks in those sorts of scenarios - ask any of us who actually, y'know, play with him.

I have to say this is 100% true anyone who knows or atleast played with Korze knows this is true !

You have been here for 4 months or so, did u ever play the live game ? where this person who you know so well was known by all for being a serious exploiter, taking advantage of anything to gain the upperhand and quite often spoken about using a cheat program, this same person who was perma banned for exploiting into an enemy wc to kill a gm, this same player who would crash the game to avoid death time after time.

Go educate yourself man.

[Druin]

Y'all need to chill and stay on topic.

[powerheads]

@Begamil
If people don't change their ways, why must the game be tailored around such arrogance? If people can't even group up then there is no hope.

why do i HAVE TO be in group? cause you want so? We are equal. i want to join pug que scenarios. if you and your group is so mastered, why you complaining here for not separating pugs with premades? what is the reason? que in group vs group and get what you suggest to others. get premade vs premade. You clearly know, that most of players que solo. that is the reason you defent your point.
I dont have to make group to go for scenarios.
The more server being down, the less i want play the game. And here i see another point why i shouldnt. Like in all other games there is such kind of people who comes here not for having fun and competitive play, but for spoiling game for anothers and in that way you get satisfaction.
If it will remain the same forward i think i will go. I know, it wont change anything in game, but its a fact and i wont be alone. There are much more normal players shaded with you and guys like you who spoils the game. I bet its not only one thing you get used to do. i bet there is other things you like to do, like exploiting or finding some other ways to play else like it have to be. Its often guys like you use exploits.

[grumcajs]

If people don't change their ways, why must the game be tailored around such arrogance? If people can't even group up then there is no hope.

well...you should post that when there was a talk about 6 man position in large scale orvr ya know...it goes both ways

you were against similar argument when some1 posted we shouldnt care about 6 man in large scale battles. and now you are moralist like some prophet to urge players to change their ways...


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@powerheads

it might be a way to make lower reward solo only que scenarios. kinda win-win situation

players that just join scenario because they want something "new" when leveling, crafting, watching a TV....whatever, would get to a scenario where they couldnt yell its a premade.
players that join as a grp would then find less solo players in their scs so they would have a higher chance to find something challenging

though I think it would be horrible, horrible blow to grp queue because we would see how many players are interested in grp vs grp only scs

[Morf]

If you're gonna make accusations against someone when several other people will refute them, you should have evidence - especially when it's against my own family.

You've been a premade player for how many weeks now? You're deliberately just being provocative and throwing me and dalgri in with the stereotypical 'elitist pug hating i am so much better than you!' crap despite us having not said anything like that in this topic, so yeah you're right I will be agitated especially when it's from a person who has had a reputation for badmouthing and whining about premades.

Actually that was a bit of fun (Pornfactory), bunch of guildies on discord late night and we were thinking of funny alts. I thought it was funny, as did they. out of respect, i stopped playing it guess you're wrong on that front, too.

Why should i have evidence ? i really dont care, im saying what happened, why would i lie ? i mean look what happen last time you played the defend my family card, you got yourself banned along with your bro back in t1, seems you havent learnt what your bro is like over the years.

Lastly this is what im talking about, you look down on others as if you are special, premade player for weeks ? come on you know better then this and just shows what sort of asshole you are, sorry if it hurts man but its the truth i have no intention of arguing or making things up because quite frankly i dont care, its you that doesnt seem to get the point and cant see your own bad attitude.
PS this has nothing to do with dalgri i actually get on well with him but at the same time im not gona beat around the bush, you and him both act like elitist assholes at times and im sorry you cant see this.

[powerheads]

though I think it would be horrible, horrible blow to grp queue because we would see how many players are interested in grp vs grp only scs

yes we all know that pop ups in group vs group will be extremely low. And now we have to think why groups is still forming up for scenarios. Its obvious. Because they know that in 75-80% of pop ups they will meet PUGs. Thats the only reason for groups on scenarios can be made. isnt it?

[Morf]

yes we all know that pop ups in group vs group will be extremely low. And now we have to think why groups is still forming up for scenarios. Its obvious. Because they know that in 75-80% of pop ups they will meet PUGs. Thats the only reason for groups on scenarios can be made. isnt it?

That isnt true, quite often the groups/premades will do sc's after sc's hoping for that 1 good fight that will make the hour of easy sc's worth it, remember not everyone runs the fotm setup whos aim is to win and only win alot of the time its just a bunch of friends having fun who just happen to be decent at what they do.

[powerheads]

yes we all know that pop ups in group vs group will be extremely low. And now we have to think why groups is still forming up for scenarios. Its obvious. Because they know that in 75-80% of pop ups they will meet PUGs. Thats the only reason for groups on scenarios can be made. isnt it?

That isnt true, quite often the groups/premades will do sc's after sc's hoping for that 1 good fight that will make the hour of easy sc's worth it, remember not everyone runs the fotm setup whos aim is to win and only win alot of the time its just a bunch of friends having fun who just happen to be decent at what they do.

thats why it should be separated. to make all of us happy. separate premades in queing whit solo players. If you are ready to wait an hour for a good fight you can do it without ruining game for anothers.

[Roodabega]

yes we all know that pop ups in group vs group will be extremely low. And now we have to think why groups is still forming up for scenarios. Its obvious. Because they know that in 75-80% of pop ups they will meet PUGs. Thats the only reason for groups on scenarios can be made. isnt it?

That isnt true, quite often the groups/premades will do sc's after sc's hoping for that 1 good fight that will make the hour of easy sc's worth it, remember not everyone runs the fotm setup whos aim is to win and only win alot of the time its just a bunch of friends having fun who just happen to be decent at what they do.

thats why it should be separated. to make all of us happy. separate premades in queing whit solo players. If you are ready to wait an hour for a good fight you can do it without ruining game for anothers.

assuming prem is on your side its just diff tactics bla bla bla.. assuming they are on other side well.. its a game yes theoretically the developers would make a side que system for 6 mans (prefferably able to face same faction) 2 6 mans vs 2 6 mans bla bla bla.. or 6 man scs without taking away from the other but adding variables of sort to reward players in normal que if you lose alot you should want to get better or find a solution
edit and vice versa why restrict people for grouping up assuming premade ques arent a big hit
the social aspect