Balance premade and random teams

[Dalgrimar]

PS this has nothing to do with dalgri i actually get on well with him but at the same time im not gona beat around the bush, you and him both act like elitist assholes at times and im sorry you cant see this.

When tho?
When i chch you and sayed "Love you"?
I mean come on, you constantly call me FO user aswell.
Its just banter.
+ i never trash talk in game or on forums, all i mentioned in this topic that it would be nice if more people group up and if they dont want to well thats just how MMO's work.
If they want a nice matchmaking system there is LoL, Dota2, or CSGO for that.
Matchmaking never works in a MMO even tho i would love it to work properly, there is to much to balance in MMO's.
Also on the "being elitist"thingie, all what Peter yells sometimes are some Peterpan role playing quates when order dont want to come out.
But we never keep the objective uncaptured just so we could farm.
I mean, u think it is fun to watch at a wc?
I prefer at that moment for the scenario to be over fast aswell.
Also when i ran with Korze he was on sorc most of the time and allot of times we had r35+ random healers from /lfg chat healing us and just him as dps.
Its not true that we just like to farm pugs lol.
+ Korze never even talks in /s and the times i was with him on sorc i was bored af cuz he just one shots everything. ( not trying to be elitist here btw, he is just a very good sorc )

[Morf]

thats why it should be separated. to make all of us happy. separate premades in queing whit solo players. If you are ready to wait an hour for a good fight you can do it without ruining game for anothers.

This has been spoken about numerous times and imo i dont think it will work, even in full pug sc's you find 1 side dominated the other, i have seen numerous times ppl say things like "dam premades ruin the fun" when infact everyone in the sc qued solo, also means when u completely separate players its going to be hard for ppl to learn and improve, i actually enjoy (when not on a mdps char) going up against premades when queuing solo.

[Dalgrimar]

thats why it should be separated. to make all of us happy. separate premades in queing whit solo players. If you are ready to wait an hour for a good fight you can do it without ruining game for anothers.

This has been spoken about numerous times and imo i dont think it will work, even in full pug sc's you find 1 side dominated the other, i have seen numerous times ppl say things like "dam premades ruin the fun" when infact everyone in the sc qued solo, also means when u completely separate players its going to be hard for ppl to learn and improve, i actually enjoy (when not on a mdps char) going up against premades when queuing solo.

Yep like Morfee says, it only takes 2 or 3 good players who queed solo to make the win.
I think there is allot of misunderstand when people quee solo.
90% of the time it will be pug vs pug with some good players on one or each side who queed solo.

[Dalgrimar]

tripple post sory

[Dalgrimar]

double post sory

[Morf]

When i chch you and sayed "Love you"?
I mean come on, you constantly call me FO user aswell.
Its just banter.
+ i never trash talk in game or on forums, all i mentioned in this topic that it would be nice if more people group up and if they dont want to well thats just how MMO's work.
If they want a nice matchmaking system there is LoL, Dota2, or CSGO for that.
Matchmaking never works in a MMO even tho i would love it to work properly, there is to much to balance in MMO's.
Also on the "being elitist"thingie, all what Peter yells sometimes are some Peterpan role playing quates when order dont want to come out.
But we never keep the objective uncaptured just so we could farm.
I mean, u think it is fun to watch at a wc?
I prefer at that moment for the scenario to be over fast aswell.
Also when i ran with Korze he was on sorc most of the time and allot of times we had r35+ random healers from /lfg chat healing us and just him as dps.
Its not true that we just like to farm pugs lol.
+ Korze never even talks in /s and the times i was with him on sorc i was bored af cuz he just one shots everything. ( not trying to be elitist here btw, he is just a very good sorc )

Some stuff you say come across as "i play in a group anyone who doesnt is **** to me and means nothing" you may not want it to come across as this but the majority of times i read your posts on pug v premades this is how it comes across.

Yea i enjoy the banter, i was talking about serpents passage sc when you guarding khorze camped the order spawn for 15 mins while some other guy being a friend of khorze held the part so the sc wouldnt end, i asked like 10 times to end it but instead wanted to farm kills of randoms with no chance, this is the exact thing that makes premades hated, not saying it was you in ts saying "dont cap it" was just pointing out you were there as peterpan seems to think i am making things up.

Also i 100% agree, matchmaking will never work, doesnt matter what restrictions etc you make sc's will still be unbalanced at times and ppl will still get rekt sc after sc.

[Dalgrimar]

Some stuff you say come across as "i play in a group anyone who doesnt is **** to me and means nothing" you may not want it to come across as this but the majority of times i read your posts on pug v premades this is how it comes across.

Yea i enjoy the banter, i was talking about serpents passage sc when you guarding khorze camped the order spawn for 15 mins while some other guy being a friend of khorze held the part so the sc wouldnt end, i asked like 10 times to end it but instead wanted to farm kills of randoms with no chance, this is the exact thing that makes premades hated, not saying it was you in ts saying "dont cap it" was just pointing out you were there as peterpan seems to think i am making things up.

Also i 100% agree, matchmaking will never work, doesnt matter what restrictions etc you make sc's will still be unbalanced at times and ppl will still get rekt sc after sc.

Well my english isnt evolved enough to properly explain stuff/go in discussion.
Annyway, that sc i doubt the one who held the part was one of us as me my self totally hate wasting a objective when we are the dominant side.
When there is a good fight going on, sure i dont mind to ignore the objective aslong the fight keeps going.
But when we spawncamping or just watching the spawn i wont support not turning in the part/keeping the objective neutral.
I also know Korze dont enjoy this, i notice you arent very font of him but i do know that he doesnt enjoy pug stomping as he mostly logs off after we done scenarios facing only pugs.

[Charon]

PS this has nothing to do with dalgri i actually get on well with him but at the same time im not gona beat around the bush, you and him both act like elitist assholes at times and im sorry you cant see this.

When tho?
When i chch you and sayed "Love you"?
I mean come on, you constantly call me FO user aswell.
Its just banter.
+ i never trash talk in game or on forums, all i mentioned in this topic that it would be nice if more people group up and if they dont want to well thats just how MMO's work.
If they want a nice matchmaking system there is LoL, Dota2, or CSGO for that.
Matchmaking never works in a MMO even tho i would love it to work properly, there is to much to balance in MMO's.
Also on the "being elitist"thingie, all what Peter yells sometimes are some Peterpan role playing quates when order dont want to come out.
But we never keep the objective uncaptured just so we could farm.
I mean, u think it is fun to watch at a wc?
I prefer at that moment for the scenario to be over fast aswell.
Also when i ran with Korze he was on sorc most of the time and allot of times we had r35+ random healers from /lfg chat healing us and just him as dps.
Its not true that we just like to farm pugs lol.
+ Korze never even talks in /s and the times i was with him on sorc i was bored af cuz he just one shots everything. ( not trying to be elitist here btw, he is just a very good sorc )

I don't know why this thread looks like Korze team mates vs. rest of the RoR world. In fact your guild is by far minor issue. There exist groups, guilds which altitude (i'm almost bored to fights with all those pugers) is much more "unpleasant" and its rather norm that exception.

[peterthepan3]

show me a screenie then. if you group with korze, you'll see 9 times out of 10 he just afks in those sorts of scenarios - ask any of us who actually, y'know, play with him.

I have to say this is 100% true anyone who knows or atleast played with Korze knows this is true !

You have been here for 4 months or so, did u ever play the live game ? where this person who you know so well was known by all for being a serious exploiter, taking advantage of anything to gain the upperhand and quite often spoken about using a cheat program, this same person who was perma banned for exploiting into an enemy wc to kill a gm, this same player who would crash the game to avoid death time after time.

Go educate yourself man.

See this is what I mean. You're being bare bookey and bringing up proper irrelevant stuff: you're talking about pug farming, we're telling you otherwise, and instead of being a big man about it you're sinking to low-man levels and bringing up our pasts as a last resort? It's blatantly obvious how much you despise anyone who actually plays the game decently (same with enigma several months ago), but let's keep our personal insults away from this yeah?

Anyone who takes Dalgri's comments seriously just doesn't know him. one of the funniest dudes about. people need to stop taking themselves so seriously and being offended by sweet f a.

OT: The biggest flaw with premade-only queues is the population. A common misconception is that premades would be scared to queue for it lest they lose their reputation, but the reason why they queue other scens and not CW is CW rarely pops. As much as people like to make out that premades are dominating scenarios, the vast majority of people who are playing scenarios are not in premades. If the 15-25% are causing that much of an upset, then maybe - just maybe - it's down to individual/group skill and group synergy.

yes all this statements is right. and now i assume why i left that game in far 2013 before it gone. Because i got tired of roaming on def marauder against premades.
yes you are right, this is AAA game, nothing fair it cant bring upfor people. the temptation is too great to be rejected and people still will use exploits and weak points in game and it is useless to discuss. there are too many legal exploits that match into game rules. Someone who dares will find one for himself. I think i got enough and wont wait till it comes up good for me. Cause it looks like i will find same reasons some time later as i find it on live.
No way to play for solo player

Azarael and others have mentioned several times that this game is not - nor will it be - balanced around solo players. You keep making accusations, insulting people for playing a group, and assuming people's playstyles ('you can't do solo, you say 'ez' after killing pugs' - i don't even know you, dude). you're not doing the solo campaign any favours, bud.

PS. @Bloodi: just reading through some of the comments here and how people believe premades should suffer long queue times, that we are all pug stompers who don't want a challenge and elitists who keep boasting about being better players according to Morfee (has anyone done that in this thread? do we have any evidence?) is exactly what I was referring to several pages back. There's your evidence, bud.

[powerheads]

yes all this statements is right. and now i assume why i left that game in far 2013 before it gone. Because i got tired of roaming on def marauder against premades.
yes you are right, this is AAA game, nothing fair it cant bring upfor people. the temptation is too great to be rejected and people still will use exploits and weak points in game and it is useless to discuss. there are too many legal exploits that match into game rules. Someone who dares will find one for himself. I think i got enough and wont wait till it comes up good for me. Cause it looks like i will find same reasons some time later as i find it on live.
No way to play for solo players. cause lvl or rvr lvl cap wont change anything. and nothing can change it.