Balance premade and random teams

[Dalgrimar]

PS this has nothing to do with dalgri i actually get on well with him but at the same time im not gona beat around the bush, you and him both act like elitist assholes at times and im sorry you cant see this.

When tho?
When i chch you and sayed "Love you"?
I mean come on, you constantly call me FO user aswell.
Its just banter.
+ i never trash talk in game or on forums, all i mentioned in this topic that it would be nice if more people group up and if they dont want to well thats just how MMO's work.
If they want a nice matchmaking system there is LoL, Dota2, or CSGO for that.
Matchmaking never works in a MMO even tho i would love it to work properly, there is to much to balance in MMO's.
Also on the "being elitist"thingie, all what Peter yells sometimes are some Peterpan role playing quates when order dont want to come out.
But we never keep the objective uncaptured just so we could farm.
I mean, u think it is fun to watch at a wc?
I prefer at that moment for the scenario to be over fast aswell.
Also when i ran with Korze he was on sorc most of the time and allot of times we had r35+ random healers from /lfg chat healing us and just him as dps.
Its not true that we just like to farm pugs lol.
+ Korze never even talks in /s and the times i was with him on sorc i was bored af cuz he just one shots everything. ( not trying to be elitist here btw, he is just a very good sorc )

I don't know why this thread looks like Korze team mates vs. rest of the RoR world. In fact your guild is by far minor issue. There exist groups, guilds which altitude (i'm almost bored to fights with all those pugers) is much more "unpleasant" and its rather norm that exception.

Not saying we are the/a dominant premade ( we dont even have a core 6man) but same problem occured when Enigma premade still played and was the dominant premade in the game.
I do agree that certain people from Enigma had very serious ego problems when you face as a premade mostly pugs but i dont understand why there is so much hate against us when we are just defending our way of playing but we are not against a possible solution if there is one.
Like i mentioned multiple times now: WE DONT enjoy farming pugs.

[roadkillrobin]

Something i don't get is why the 6v6 community don't organize their own 6v6 battles in a non active RVR zone were there is no distractions like scenario objetives(Or maybe you do, but i doubt it) One could argue that this is just as lazy as not making groups for scenario tbh.
Since they tend to not play the scenario and just count kills in CW anyway why should Dev make more content like this?? It would also "fix" some of the Premades vs Pugs issues as the moast hardcore premades would be off doing something else.

[Roodabega]

Just popping in to say that the "just make a premade!" guys are missing the point as usual

- Casuals will not make a premade no matter how many times you say it - this is the reality - deal with it
- Casuals are not here because they want to play to your standard
- You have to accomodate casuals - they don't have to accomodate you - as they are by far the dominant force and they are the engine that powers every single video game
- Therefore they should not have to face top premades

harsh reality only one thing theres gaurds in most SCS looking at that it seems nice for casuals to be gaurded by gaurds i'd assume some dagree of matchmaking , and if your casual ypu probably understand at the point of geting farmed to use the gaurds (possibly stationary wep or custom npc reiforcement triggers) to your advantage ????
and then people know what they want wether it gear or fights- i think the casual player is more opt in doing rvr than sc simply because there is more competiton in a scenario

[peterthepan3]

Something i don't get is why the 6v6 community don't organize their own 6v6 battles in a non active RVR zone were there is no distractions like scenario objetives. One could argue that this is just as lazy as not making groups for scenario tbh. (Or maybe you do, but i doubt it)
Since they tend to not play the scenario and just count kills in CW anyway why should Dev make more content like this?? It would also "fix" some of the Premades vs Pugs issues as the moast hardcore premades would be off doing something else.

They do? But it usually lasts for about an hour to two - at max. After that, what would you have premades do? In regards to Caledor Woods kills, well that is the only means of gauging a winner right now as objective does not count in a 6v6. By the way noone is bringing up 6v6 here...so why?

(trust me i've tried organising 6v6 events and its very hard to make them come to fruition)

[Roodabega]

Something i don't get is why the 6v6 community don't organize their own 6v6 battles in a non active RVR zone were there is no distractions like scenario objetives. One could argue that this is just as lazy as not making groups for scenario tbh. (Or maybe you do, but i doubt it)
Since they tend to not play the scenario and just count kills in CW anyway why should Dev make more content like this?? It would also "fix" some of the Premades vs Pugs issues as the moast hardcore premades would be off doing something else.

6v6 fight is fairly static it could be more fun if the scs were better designed to accomidate static gameplay , theres a renown bonus for participation in scs it offers more diverse competition aswell

[Morf]

I don't know why this thread looks like Korze team mates vs. rest of the RoR world. In fact your guild is by far minor issue. There exist groups, guilds which altitude (i'm almost bored to fights with all those pugers) is much more "unpleasant" and its rather norm that exception.

This isnt really the issue my point to peterpan and others who cant see past the way they come across goes for pugs also, ppl are well aware that it is a group game, hell when i que solo in sc's i know if i come across a premade i have to firstly adapt how i play and if i lose the sc badly then thats the nature of queing solo.

Alot of the premade players you see started off getting rekt day after day, week after week, they over time learnt there lesson and improved, this is the problem atleast imo why some premade players appear to look down on those who complain about premades, they think if we can improve and do it why cant you.

The main point is ppl lack understanding of each others gameplay, some have different values and ideas, not everyone will or wants to play the same, premade players should show some sort of understanding towards casuals/pugs and give them a break every now and then, casuals/pugs should understand this is a group game and when you come across more organised/experienced players its going to be tough and the only way to improve your chances is to learn from the bad times and improve.

[peterthepan3]

I don't know why this thread looks like Korze team mates vs. rest of the RoR world. In fact your guild is by far minor issue. There exist groups, guilds which altitude (i'm almost bored to fights with all those pugers) is much more "unpleasant" and its rather norm that exception.

This isnt really the issue my point to peterpan and others who cant see past the way they come across goes for pugs also, ppl are well aware that it is a group game, hell when i que solo in sc's i know if i come across a premade i have to firstly adapt how i play and if i lose the sc badly then thats the nature of queing solo.

Alot of the premade players you see started off getting rekt day after day, week after week, they over time learnt there lesson and improved, this is the problem atleast imo why some premade players appear to look down on those who complain about premades, they think if we can improve and do it why cant you.

The main point is ppl lack understanding of each others gameplay, some have different values and ideas, not everyone will or wants to play the same, premade players should show some sort of understanding towards casuals/pugs and give them a break every now and then, casuals/pugs should understand this is a group game and when you come across more organised/experienced players its going to be tough and the only way to improve your chances is to learn from the bad times and improve.

1) premade players do show understanding: several times in this thread - and various others - premade players have made suggestions with the intent of alleviating the problems experienced by pug players, such as 1 or 2 separate pug v pug scenarios
2) again irrelevant and factitious points. who is looking down on who? who is offering suggestions, and who isn't right now? saying 'people should form groups' is a fact, in the interests of the ungrouped player, and is not an example of being a pompous prick.
3) if I honestly come across as arrogant just for stating the obvious/things people should know already, then I apologise. I honestly don't see it as such though.

you're right about how people ought to perceive and approach the game.

oh and for anyone who wants to believe Morfee is as innocent as he makes out

I'm unsure of how the sub-forum's rules apply here, hopefully Azarael or one of the GMs can intervene. But for the sake of clarity for everyone else: Morf is referring to a report I sent to Ley recently regarding him calling me "pus*y", "chicken sh*t", and continuing to pm me after I requested that he stop several times (SS can be provided if needed).

[Morf]

See this is what I mean. You're being bare bookey and bringing up proper irrelevant stuff: you're talking about pug farming, we're telling you otherwise, and instead of being a big man about it you're sinking to low-man levels and bringing up our pasts as a last resort? It's blatantly obvious how much you despise anyone who actually plays the game decently (same with enigma several months ago), but let's keep our personal insults away from this yeah?

It was relevant to what the guy said, he claimed he knew your bro and therefor stood up to say hey he aint a bad guy, i just thought it important to make sure he isnt blinded by a few months of gaming along side him.

I have no problem with players who play the game "decently" what bothers me is ppl who think because they are playing the game at a high level then feel like they can **** on ppl who dont. Im sure if i tried i could find some old clips on youtube of me on my kotbs or slayer with wh celebs destroying **** and idk if u forgot but i have been in premades where we have met you in CW and kicked your ass, this means nothing anyway, if ppl act like they deserve special treatment and feel it necessary to belittle those who are not as good or approach the game differently to them then you will find ppl like myself telling ppl like yourself and enigma to stop acting like morons.

Anyway im done here.

[peterthepan3]

my bro's past has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he enjoys a challenge and will go afk in boring scenarios, hence why it is not relevant: that was the point Bakir was attesting to. really struggling to think of when you would have beaten our core group (maybe a clown group with magus or sorc, but not our 2/2/2) when enigma had trouble doing so, but okay man! if you say so, it must be true.

it's ironic because you've been banging on about premades talking smack and being arrogant to others, but out of both of us, you're the one throwing the shade and coming across all high and mighty and making bold statements - but i'm done here too. sorry@all for the epeen crap

[Druin]

Alright I warned you all several pages ago and this is what I come home to...