Quest to Convert One Genisis Token to Another

[edavoc]

Since my last topic was locked before I could respond, I would like to throw out some more ideas for obtaining genisis fragments, so that you aren't repetitively getting screwed by rng, getting the same piece over and over.

What if a quest was implemented that allows you to convert one type of genisis token to another. Something like having the player kill 500-1000 players in orvr and take 5-10 keeps, or what ever you feel appropriate, in order to trade in one type of token for your choice of another. You could even add in a requirement of trading in some of those seals of domination/retribution on top of the keeps and player kills. Something like this would still take dedication as 10 keeps or 1000 player kills would still take quite awhile to complete. You could even make the token you receive from the quest random, if you feel like you want to make acquisition harder, requiring you to do the quest multiple times to get the token you need.

I understand that the devs want this set to be hard to obtain, but it just feels unreasonable to have this gear locked behind two luck based rolls without some other way for the player to feel they can actually make progress to complete the set. If you put in quest that allows us to convert one fragment to another, you will still have the rng factor of getting purple bag for a piece you don't own, but you will still have some way to make progression if you keep getting screwed by getting the same item.

[Natherul]

Im not going to defend genesis being added at all (because I never liked the idea to begin with) but the whole point of the genesis set when added was to have it as a extremely hard to obtain set, almost to the point of being impossible to obtain more then a few pieces for a normal player.

Its made like that be design to give people some sense of progression since we wont implement additional sets yet (more work needs to be done on different parts of the game).

[Theseus]

Im not going to defend genesis being added at all (because I never liked the idea to begin with) but the whole point of the genesis set when added was to have it as a extremely hard to obtain set, almost to the point of being impossible to obtain more then a few pieces for a normal player.

Its made like that be design to give people some sense of progression since we wont implement additional sets yet (more work needs to be done on different parts of the game).

That point is clear, and was made clear an abundance of time. And the problem isnt, that those accessory sets are hard to obtain, the problem is, that it is simply luck based. Of course thats only my oppinion now, but i dont feel like progressing, when I only wait to have luck. If i had to kill 5k or 10k players per piece for example, I would see progression. The problem here is, there is no player quality involved.... you dont need to be good to get those Items, you need literally no skill. (for tovl you needed at least a bit of skill, as its the comarable set to me) You only need to run with the zerg and have to wait until you have luck. Thats not progression, thats just mindless.

[Vandoles]

I understand the idea of the Gensis think Natherul, but why is it complete RNG?

Why not make it so that you can trade two or even three genesis pieces for one of a different kind?

That way it stays hard as hell, nearly impossible, but it prevents you from getting the bloody cloak 4 times in a row ane ending up with 0 genesis.

[Natherul]

I understand the idea of the Gensis think Natherul, but why is it complete RNG?

Why not make it so that you can trade two or even three genesis pieces for one of a different kind?

That way it stays hard as hell, nearly impossible, but it prevents you from getting the bloody cloak 4 times in a row ane ending up with 0 genesis.

That was the point...

[wargrimnir]

Perhaps progression was the wrong word to use in describing the intent of the set.

Until you finish the set, it means there will always be something worthwhile to attain from keeps. The element of RNG means that every keep take is important because it's a CHANCE that this keep take you'll win that purple bag, and pull out a new piece.

Progression means that you have several hundred kills, or keep takes, or whatever to GRIND through. It makes those objectives attained in-between far less important. You might consider the RNG aspect a form of grind as well, but you have no idea how many times you will need to do it. There's an intended aspect of uncertainty that can make each keep take, each lord kill, each bag roll, and each purple bag opened, a moment of anticipation. Surely, everyone who is seeking the Genesis set understands what it means at each of these stages.

It is far more impactful than going from Keep Take #115 to #116 to #117 on your way to 200 and a guaranteed piece of candy at the end.

I'll state again, there are no other reward sets in the game that work this way. We are not changing this one, it is working as intended.

[NSKaneda]

So are there different genesis fragments in the loot tables? Only asking because I have 3 pieces of 1st gem on SH and no other fragments. On other toon 2 pieces of the same gem. On third toon (still the same) fragment... I get the "extremely hard to obtain" part, after all it took me over 6 months to get LOTD helm for IB but at least I knew that the helm piece was dropping...

[Natherul]

So are there different genesis fragments in the loot tables? Only asking because I have 3 pieces of 1st gem on SH and no other fragments. On other toon 2 pieces of the same gem. On third toon (still the same) fragment... I get the "extremely hard to obtain" part, after all it took me over 6 months to get LOTD helm for IB but at least I knew that the helm piece was dropping...

They work as it should, I have 2x the cape

[NSKaneda]

Thanks for clearing it up, I'll just try time and time again then

[sabat80]

I'll state again, there are no other reward sets in the game that work this way. We are not changing this one, it is working as intended.

Problem with this approach is that:

1. That set creates quite big power gap between owner of even 2 pieces and someone who doesn't have them.
2. There is actual nothing needed to obtain it apart from LUCK

And that luck factor is the thing which people are highlighting all the time. You can get to the keep and do nothing and get a purple or gold bag. You can fight all fight on the keep and roll 001 or even be excluded from the roll.

That does not promote any certain game style or will to progress. If that set would be available for medallions (really expensive) at least it will push people to the rvr lakes to fight. In current state people will just appear when inner are down and go for a lucky roll.