Keep Lord

[Sulorie]

as i remember on live you even had to have PVE armor with pve mitigation on it to tank the lord!

It wasn't a certain pve armor. All armor either pve or pvp of Annihilator tier and above gave wards. But not sure whether it was already required for keep lords in t4.

[Haojin]

Lastalien, i suggest you keep on topic instead of desparete butthurt.

Spoiler:

We have absolutely the same problem, but we do not cry about it.

Because you defending keeps 24/7 ? Crashing when defending a keep isn't a big deal. Try to take a keep in "prime time" while crashing and you'll see whats happening. But hey, probably you'll go to sleep after 1 wipe.

Same.
Destro prefers to stay inside the keep even they have the equal numbers. There is no scenario in the current rvr system for equal force size.
but we believe in ourselves

You simply lying. I never see order "really" trying to take a keep between 20:00 - 00:00 GMT +3. We making warbands 4 days in a week and end of the day no matters the numbers we are the attacker side.

What about strong Lord?
Maybe it will perform coordinated opinion on weakening Lord?

Lord damage is counterable. If you cannot deal with it, you're doing something wrong. Solution for keep is: Attacker - Defender populaiton ratio fix + diminishing ratio for the "camper" side.

despite the fact that you're a boor, I talk with you, since virtually no organized opponents in large numbers[/size]

I have 0 respect for campers-defenders. It's sad to see some people claiming theirselves "organized" with disgusting playstyle.

It is funny to read that Order was able to leave keep and did not defend the lord, when the keep door breaked.

It's funny to see Order always sitting inside their keeps even with equal or more numbers.

[Buran]

2Haojin:
Patience is also a weapon when used properly.

"Every day, here and at home, we are warned about the enemy. But who is the enemy? Is it the alien? Well, we are all alien to one another. Is it the one who believes differently than we do? No, oh no, my friends. The enemy is fear. The enemy is ignorance. The enemy is the one who tells you that you must hate that which is different. Because, in the end, that hate will turn on you. And that same hate will destroy you."(c) B5

[lastalien]

Spoiler:

Lastalien, i suggest you keep on topic instead of desparete butthurt.

Spoiler:

We have absolutely the same problem, but we do not cry about it.

Because you defending keeps 24/7 ? Crashing when defending a keep isn't a big deal. Try to take a keep in "prime time" while crashing and you'll see whats happening. But hey, probably you'll go to sleep after 1 wipe.

Same.
Destro prefers to stay inside the keep even they have the equal numbers. There is no scenario in the current rvr system for equal force size.
but we believe in ourselves

You simply lying. I never see order "really" trying to take a keep between 20:00 - 00:00 GMT +3. We making warbands 4 days in a week and end of the day no matters the numbers we are the attacker side.

What about strong Lord?
Maybe it will perform coordinated opinion on weakening Lord?

Lord damage is counterable. If you cannot deal with it, you're doing something wrong. Solution for keep is: Attacker - Defender populaiton ratio fix + diminishing ratio for the "camper" side.

despite the fact that you're a boor, I talk with you, since virtually no organized opponents in large numbers[/size]

I have 0 respect for campers-defenders. It's sad to see some people claiming theirselves "organized" with disgusting playstyle.

Spoiler:

Specify you say about our guild, or about the entire Realm?

You are lying almost at every step, and to do so even after you jabbed into facts.

We periodically try to like your success to take the keepwith an equal number of participants. And the theme I started for a reason.

We have some prime-time, and part of prime, yesterday, we were killing each other in the zone, and the other part is on the protection of the Keep, killing, including you and your guild.

I realized that the conversation with you does not make sense, since arrogance veiled your eyes and brains.

We continue to RVR.

It will be a pleasure to kill Haojun

[megadeath]

We have some prime-time, and part of prime, yesterday, we were killing each other in the zone, and the other part is on the protection of the Keep, killing, including you and your guild.

I realized that the conversation with you does not make sense, since arrogance veiled your eyes and brains.

Wow. Order 2 warband zerg against a 3 groups is considered a good rvr now? You guys are pathetic. We wiped at least 4 times until we managed to get the pugonauts to follow us and finally kill you lot. And what you did after first wipe? You went to sit in your keep despite having more people in the zone. If this continues i just wont bother with rvr anymore. Why do i have waste my nerve cells by banging my head on order keep doors just because you are a bunch of pussies? You do understand that order isn't helping the community at all? All you do is just boost your keep to 5 stars and sit in it.

We continue to RVR.

It will be a pleasure to kill Haojun

Well you might end up fighting empty keeps 24/7 then

[Frontenstuermer]

We have some prime-time, and part of prime, yesterday, we were killing each other in the zone, and the other part is on the protection of the Keep, killing, including you and your guild.

I realized that the conversation with you does not make sense, since arrogance veiled your eyes and brains.

Wow. Order 2 warband zerg against a 3 groups is considered a good rvr now? You guys are pathetic. We wiped at least 4 times until we managed to get the pugonauts to follow us and finally kill you lot. And what you did after first wipe? You went to sit in your keep despite having more people in the zone. If this continues i just wont bother with rvr anymore. Why do i have waste my nerve cells by banging my head on order keep doors just because you are a bunch of pussies? You do understand that order isn't helping the community at all? All you do is just boost your keep to 5 stars and sit in it.

We continue to RVR.

It will be a pleasure to kill Haojun

Well you might end up fighting empty keeps 24/7 then

Thats it.
In the morning they rush all maps to lock all maps with resistance and if they have resistance they hide....

[lastalien]

Spoiler:

Wow. Order 2 warband zerg against a 3 groups is considered a good rvr now? You guys are pathetic. We wiped at least 4 times until we managed to get the pugonauts to follow us and finally kill you lot. And what you did after first wipe? You went to sit in your keep despite having more people in the zone. If this continues i just wont bother with rvr anymore. Why do i have waste my nerve cells by banging my head on order keep doors just because you are a bunch of pussies? You do understand that order isn't helping the community at all? All you do is just boost your keep to 5 stars and sit in it.

Who is too wide eyes? We(ally) have 4,5 - 5 party at start rvr, and about 6 party at the end your attack on the keep. I have video about it, lol.
Absolutely your business, what are you doing in the RVR, I do not care.

Well you might end up fighting empty keeps 24/7 then

Lets start your prime time at 20.00 GMT+3.

[megadeath]

Who is too wide eyes? We(ally) have 4,5 - 5 party at start rvr, and about 6 party at the end your attack on the keep. I have video about it, lol.

And we had 3 at the start and 4 at the keep siege.

[lastalien]

Spoiler:

And we had 3 at the start and 4 at the keep siege.

Is it your?

we managed to get the pugonauts to follow us and finally kill you lot

[Thayli]

Regarding Order defence, we've seen a strong trend towards keep defence. It favors high numbers (Invasion, Beavers, pugs) and currently has no diminishing return. You can't technically blame people for using the path of least resistance i.e. sitting in a keep waiting for Destro to bang their heads over and over again since that's the easiest right now. It's the system which should make keep defence unviable with larger numbers after a certain timespan. As long as that is not the case, you will see the current stalemates as a result.

That being said, it's rather appalling to see people defending the current system or outright blaming Destro for getting annoyed at this. I mean, seriously... Order defending with superior numbers, in a defensive position, which currently has a very strong lord, on top of random yet very frequent disconnects. And yes, I hear you, you have those disconnects too. But they are worse on the attacker side because you lose the very momentum you need to take a keep, whereas defending is a numbers game.

As Haojun mentioned, 9 out of 10 times we end up on the attacking side, despite having mostly fewer numbers simply because Order. Refuses. To. Attack. And people wonder why Destro is not playing the game.