Mara trees and the everything in 1 spec problem

[Penril]

https://www.returnofreckoning.com/armor ... ame=Valmut

[Scrilian]

Damn I forgot about the DISRUPTOR
But still I thing the proposed changes are as rough as moving Hand of Ruin and Impending Doom to 13p.

[Penril]

Well, nothing here has been proposed yet. Also, for me to propose something, we would need a second Balance Moderator (cause I can't moderate myself, right?). And then you guys can debunk me as much as you want.

[Toldavf]

Question.

If a blorc has a bigger armour debuff and a chosen has a wounds debuff the same size as mine, Why would anyone take a mara over a welf or chopper?

On the general nerf to armour levels would that not be a bit of a boost to physical tanks? because atm they are already have very good dps.

[Penril]

Good thing no one has suggested swapping Mara's armor debuff with BO's, or their wounds debuff with Chosen's one.

The only "swap" i suggested was BG with Mara (armor debuff). Nothing more. There is even a proposal (from Tesq ) that I plan on moving soon, so I hope you guys go there and try to debunk (or support?) him.

[Arteker616]

Good thing no one has suggested swapping Mara's armor debuff with BO's, or their wounds debuff with Chosen's one.

The only "swap" i suggested was BG with Mara (armor debuff). Nothing more. There is even a proposal (from Tesq ) that I plan on moving soon, so I hope you guys go there and try to debunk (or support?) him.

Bo used to had best destru armour debuff, back when mara one was crap , and while it needed a tactic, it was anhilated to give mara that role, i dont understand why swaping mdps skills and tanks is a good idea.

[gandresch]

@Penril Tesq proposal consist a WL nerf aswell. So even if he has no WL he can do a WL proposal aswell?
Shouldnt the proposal be divided up into a Mar and WL proposal then? Even if he has one (not sure) you cant even compare both because the Mar has all three debuffs and the WL doesnt. I am just curious.

[Scrilian]

Good thing no one has suggested swapping Mara's armor debuff with BO's, or their wounds debuff with Chosen's one.

The only "swap" i suggested was BG with Mara (armor debuff). Nothing more. There is even a proposal (from Tesq ) that I plan on moving soon, so I hope you guys go there and try to debunk (or support?) him.

If by moving to the Declined section then its fine by me.

I don't see the point of nerfing mdps just so the tanks have all the good stuff aside from incoming 50% healing debuffs, like higher value debuffs, longer cc and punts, incredible tankyness or decent sustained damage if specced for it - on top of guard.

I thought of making a proposal about removing armor talismans from the game, which would provide a stable base level of armor as a sort of even playing field, where we could finally hope to determine what to do about said armor debuffs.

With armor fluctuating from ~2k average to 4k+ with full 164 talismans in every possible slot and anti-crit renown - we get people from both sides arguing where the former get oneshots and the latter laugh at 150 non crit hits.

[Penril]

@Penril Tesq proposal consist a WL nerf aswell. So even if he has no WL he can do a WL proposal aswell?
Shouldnt the proposal be divided up into a Mar and WL proposal then? Even if he has one (not sure) you cant even compare both because the Mar has all three debuffs and the WL doesnt. I am just curious.

Correct. When I move it, we will only be discussing Mara/BG.

@Scrilian: I don't decline proposals just because I dislike them (nor do I move them just because I like them). If he:

a) Follows the format, and
b) Has a rr40 character of the class he is discussing,

Then I pretty much have to move the proposal. Unless it is something extremely ridiculous like, say, reduce Word of Pain's Cd to 5 seconds because it being at 10 breaks your rotations. Or giving Pounce to Maras. Or giving a Corp debuff to Zealots in a different tree because you don't like having it on the right tree. You get the idea.

[dansari]

the same could been said of sw , having all the good stuff in skirmisher , and so on.

If by "all the good stuff" you mean "is the most potent tree," then yeah... But I fail to see the comparison to getting a heal debuff, wounds debuff, and armor debuff.