Questions about the balance forum

[wargrimnir]

Penril is well within his responsibility as the BDF mod to decline proposals based on his personal experience/views on a topic. However, I would say a majority of the time he instead brings it up with the balance team anyway. Chances are if he feels it's not a good candidate for discussion, none of us do.

[Akilinus]

How many balance proposals have ended up in a majority consensus with a resolution that can be implemented without the patcher?

The point of the BDF is to have reasonable, easy-to-follow, pointed debate over these issues so the people implementing balance (it's not just Torque), can quickly burn through good/bad/meh ideas wot have been pre-discussed. Not many proposals end up that way.

So if one of the tester did a good work at showcasing a problem and giving some solutions that were of use to you give them a little credit like you did with the testers that helped with Gunbad. Just so that people feel like their ideas that they have put time and effort into dont fall on deaf ears.

[wargrimnir]

How many balance proposals have ended up in a majority consensus with a resolution that can be implemented without the patcher?

The point of the BDF is to have reasonable, easy-to-follow, pointed debate over these issues so the people implementing balance (it's not just Torque), can quickly burn through good/bad/meh ideas wot have been pre-discussed. Not many proposals end up that way.

So if one of the tester did a good work at showcasing a problem and giving some solutions that were of use to you give them a little credit like you did with the testers that helped with Gunbad. Just so that people feel like their ideas that they have put time and effort into dont fall on deaf ears.

If you don't want to contribute to balance, don't post there. If you don't post there, don't whine about balance. Contributing to balance is it's own reward in that you get to influence what changes in the future.

[Renork]

How many balance proposals have ended up in a majority consensus with a resolution that can be implemented without the patcher?

The point of the BDF is to have reasonable, easy-to-follow, pointed debate over these issues so the people implementing balance (it's not just Torque), can quickly burn through good/bad/meh ideas wot have been pre-discussed. Not many proposals end up that way.

So if one of the tester did a good work at showcasing a problem and giving some solutions that were of use to you give them a little credit like you did with the testers that helped with Gunbad. Just so that people feel like their ideas that they have put time and effort into dont fall on deaf ears.

Sounds like you're slightly overly concerned about receiving public recognition...

[Akilinus]

How many balance proposals have ended up in a majority consensus with a resolution that can be implemented without the patcher?

The point of the BDF is to have reasonable, easy-to-follow, pointed debate over these issues so the people implementing balance (it's not just Torque), can quickly burn through good/bad/meh ideas wot have been pre-discussed. Not many proposals end up that way.

So if one of the tester did a good work at showcasing a problem and giving some solutions that were of use to you give them a little credit like you did with the testers that helped with Gunbad. Just so that people feel like their ideas that they have put time and effort into dont fall on deaf ears.

Sounds like you're slightly overly concerned about receiving public recognition...

its not about me. I havent made any balance proposals. My point is that show people that they helped and more people will put their time and effort into adressing and solving problems

[Renork]

So if one of the tester did a good work at showcasing a problem and giving some solutions that were of use to you give them a little credit like you did with the testers that helped with Gunbad. Just so that people feel like their ideas that they have put time and effort into dont fall on deaf ears.

Sounds like you're slightly overly concerned about receiving public recognition...

its not about me. I havent made any balance proposals. My point is that show people that they helped and more people will put their time and effort into adressing and solving problems

I mean wargrimnir gave you a pretty good answer on that though.

"Contributing to balance is it's own reward in that you get to influence what changes in the future."

[Akilinus]

Sounds like you're slightly overly concerned about receiving public recognition...

its not about me. I havent made any balance proposals. My point is that show people that they helped and more people will put their time and effort into adressing and solving problems

I mean wargrimnir gave you a pretty good answer on that though.

"Contributing to balance is it's own reward in that you get to influence what changes in the future."

Yeah I saw that. Just wanted to explain my point to you so that you understood what I meant

[Fallenkezef]

Bug reports are rewarded with a manticore.

Balance is a fickle thing, a successful balance tweak today may be op or up in a month

[Skalier]

And how about Warhammer lore in balance forum discussion? Nobody takes this into account anymore. It is only important to increase the chances of "premade" to farming pugs when pug for a long time has no chance for anything.

And the fact that most of the proposals are already denied is not at all surprising because these are sometimes ideas from space.

[dansari]

Spoiler:

This is not to say that Penril isn't doing a good job, but there should be multiple people in charge of the balance forums (lowers the chance of bias). Of course, some proposals are just silly sometimes lol

Penril is doing a fine job. He moves proposals even if he doesn't agree with them personally, and in my experience he'll only deny a proposal if you don't have a 40/40, your proposal is a mess, there's already something in the works for your proposal, it sounds like you're whining, or if what you're proposing is not really in line with the culture of the game (like footpatrol proposing that BOs get a tactic that ignores detaunts.. torque denied it because detaunts are part of the game and are always a counter to damage. You go against the spirit of the game with an anti detaunt tactic.) I got a proposal denied for SM because I wanted to give them a morale drain, and the team wants to do something else with morales. Just my player perspective 2c

Torque denied it because the premise was "one tactic has no warband use, give us this which also has no warband use but I want it anyway" regardless of the fact that its on blackguards already and order doesnt have a mirror parity to it in the first place.

Just to be clear to everyone here and just using Dansaris post as was already replying to it, I may be the one doing the actual work on the abilities but its all discussed and debated, no the players are not part of that discussion just like other consumers dont get contacted when a company does every little thing. What goes into the balance discussions is mostly a steaming pile of "I want this, I dont want anyone else to have that" but there are often gems that are lifted, sometimes used in other ways or noted for future use one way or another.

Thanks for clarifying torque. I didn't mean to come across as trying to speak for you/ reading your mind on a subject. If I did - my apologies