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Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#1 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:40 am

I've seen very very few mmorpgs which give line of sight to such small objects especially one that is at the center of the objective, the place where you're supposed to stand to capture a point. Right now healers are abusing this LoS on the flag in scenarios, they circle around it = automatic win against casters, since burst casts are 3 seconds long, and shortest being 1 second, casters can never finish casting a spell if the target is circling around the flag.

In other games, if somebody goes behind an obstacle while you're casting, it doesn't instantly end your cast, instead, you keep casting until the end, if by that time the target is still out of line of sight, the spell fails to cast, if the target is reachable by the end of the cast, you cast, it's a measure they add to prevent people from abusing a strong mechanic that dictates who wins a fight, which forces ranged dps to only attack tanks or put themselves in bad position to actually be able to cast anything... Here in RoR, when you're casting and ur target hides behind an object, it instantly ends your spell cast, result, you can only use DoTs or instant spells, which are guaranteed to never kill.

I'm seeing healers abuse this in BG, and it's only in their favor, put 2 healers behind a flag = casters won't touch them, the front line alone isn't enough to kill them.

I suggest you keep the collision on flag poles but get rid of the Line Of Sight. Of course, try it and see by yourself, it's a huge advantage, opposite to normal walls and rocks around the map. It allows u to capture BOs safely.

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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#2 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:06 am

Get your mdps to kill them while they circle the flag like foolish chickens. Also on the opposite end of the spectrum there are healers who sit in plain sight so you always have options to blow people up as a caster, if one healer is circle a flag he can't use a heal and if he does sit to cast a heal you can land a spell they have similiar cast times (depending on the ability).
While your points do make sense WAR is from an older time and things like healing thru walls and los and all that are just part of the game and "abusing them" is more or less seen as the correct way to handle such threats on the battlefield.

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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#3 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:11 am

If he's circling the flag, then he's not casting anything either. Send the in the Mdps or knock him away.

If you can't do either one of those, then change target? I doubt that the only other target is a tank
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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#4 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:39 am

I play mdps exclusively and while banging away on or near a flag (or tree or pole or anything that will even marginally block LOS) I will constantly strafe the flag between myself and enemy RDPS. To stand still and let you free cast on me would be suicide. I don't see how such a core function of the game such as LOS on world objects could be altered even if the team wanted to. I understand from a logic standpoint an 8 foot ork shouldn't be protected by a thin stick, but without some serious fundamental changes to targeting/hit boxes you'll have to find a positional solution to the issue at hand.
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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#5 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:47 am

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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#6 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 11:57 am

Stophy22 wrote:Get your mdps to kill them while they circle the flag like foolish chickens. Also on the opposite end of the spectrum there are healers who sit in plain sight so you always have options to blow people up as a caster, if one healer is circle a flag he can't use a heal and if he does sit to cast a heal you can land a spell they have similiar cast times (depending on the ability).
While your points do make sense WAR is from an older time and things like healing thru walls and los and all that are just part of the game and "abusing them" is more or less seen as the correct way to handle such threats on the battlefield.

Tldr: I don't think there is a problem, but my opinion doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. Best of luck out there
Try blowing up any healer as a caster these days though. No healer should get even close to dying to a caster.
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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#7 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:01 pm

Don't let those healers get you down, buddy. Respec AoE, charge in on that BO. Bomb them. Feel like a boss.
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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#8 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:18 pm

altharion1 wrote:Don't let those healers get you down, buddy. Respec AoE, charge in on that BO. Bomb them. Feel like a boss.
Oh yeah, instead of killing someone, let's just tickle everything in sight.
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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#9 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:46 pm

I kill plenty of healers on my magus, Disrupts happen but its not impossible haha. WP are especially easy cause they got to sit down to recover essence. You just have to know when to attack and which target to focus. Don't play your rdps like an independent cannon but support fire for whoever the main focus is.

On an alternative play-style dot some people to put pressure then switch targets and full rotate. Healers die just as easy as ever in my experiences. :P so saying a healer shouldn't die to a caster is ludicrous quitter talk, get creative with your attacks.

Just my experiences with my caster.
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Re: Objectives Flagpole LoS

Post#10 » Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:37 pm

Stophy22 wrote:I kill plenty of healers on my magus, Disrupts happen but its not impossible haha. WP are especially easy cause they got to sit down to recover essence. You just have to know when to attack and which target to focus. Don't play your rdps like an independent cannon but support fire for whoever the main focus is.

On an alternative play-style dot some people to put pressure then switch targets and full rotate. Healers die just as easy as ever in my experiences. :P so saying a healer shouldn't die to a caster is ludicrous quitter talk, get creative with your attacks.

Just my experiences with my caster.
Hah, lasthitting a pug with BoC isn't comparable to blowing up a competent healer. And WP is actually the tougher healer to kill with 10% disrupt tactic.
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