Heaven's blade - Crushing blows

[dansari]

Heaven's Blade already doesn't double debuff...

[roadkillrobin]

Wait? Did they remove the stacking debuff from SM? Seriusly. Then thats just another class excluded from warbands. It was the main reason to actually slot SM in the first place.
Sigh.

[roadkillrobin]

Spoiler:

Don't see the point of this suggestion as why should the Heaven's blade be changed at all, as it's the only thing that can help elemental damage on Order side as there is no elemental resistance debuff for order classes where destruction can debuff every resistance type.

Feels like salty destruction player who hates losing his resistance against SM players. If you want to give aoe morale drain for Order it should be on either White Lion or Witch Hunter, then those classes would have more spots for warband play.

WH allready have a AoE morale drain but it sucks against tanks so hence you never see anyone mention it.
RoR.builders - Witch Hunter

WL is the best counter in the game to a destruction raze morale bomb due to echoing roar.
Both WH and WL got a better spot in warbands then Choppas and WE's do atm as the later serve no function purpose at all.

So... not RoR?

I played in Kings Own when I played order here.
I have 5 or 6 level 40 order characters. Happy?

You are kidding right, tactic that works only 25% chance and you need to be able to hit from behind + on a class that doesn't have any aoe skills. Dragon gun & 1 more tactic to hit 3 targets...use your brains or play order if you come up with this kind of points.

You got the same deal in reverse for Destruction on other things. For example Encourage Aim inc crit debuff is a autohit that can't be cleansed away on anyone who's close to the kotbs while BG needs to go trough a bunch of parry and blocks.
Its just one example.

Realms arn't designed to be equal on everything.
They gave both realms pretty much the options do almoast the same things, just not equally as good.
Its what creates flavour.

Im currently workin on a proposal to get WE/WH into warbands but i need yo get my WE to 40 first.

[Valfaros]

Heaven's Blade already doesn't double debuff...

It did before never seen any patchnotes that removed it since the topic was started.

[Toldavf]

Heaven's Blade already doesn't double debuff...

Any confirmation on this?

[FermJR]

As for heavens blade double ability resitance debuff is just not okay. Devs said it's going to go away but introducing a effortless spammable (3gcd) moral drain is just as imbalanced. +Are we really comparing a 12 points tactic (marauder) to a core stance (SM) sigh again.

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well, I realized it was an unfair suggestion just to tie a morale drain to a core aura, but as mentioned later in the thread, what about forcing SM to spec for it, changing the tactic "blessing of heaven", limiting the morale drain to Path of hoeth abilities, will lead to "wrath of hoeth" being the viable skill, 55 AP cost, and once again, only usable when you are in "improved balance"

alot of people claim that it is spammable but 25 % chance every third second with a cost of 55 AP how diffrent is that from marauders Crushing blows, if WB specced they are most likely going to be in "gift of monstrosity" using demolition (30AP), concussive jolt (30AP) , wrecking ball (30 ap/sec). so comparing the two, marauders already have more utility to get the morale drain off than a SM has.

let's try and stay on topic, not here to pie toss

[kindred4080]

Well, if we are going for it: then let's tie this SM draining ability to a great weapon.
Because in morale drain build(my vision of it) marauder loses it's dmg (the overall dmg output increases due to AoE, but it is very spreaded) on killing single target, while SM can guard someone (usually moral bombing BWs) and morale drain at the same time. I see more utility from SM in this meta.
Want to drain morale, drop off some of your strength in exchange.

[Osred]

^ Mara has spammable AoE on CD, SM doesnt (stance requirements, low damage). Allowing it proc at a much faster rate on all targets.
SM will lose Natures Blade, arguably the only useful Enchant now. Personally I'd rather they think of something different for Heavens Blade. The Heavens Blade topic in the balance forums had great suggestions, however it was locked after a couple pages of people ignoring warnings and throwing **** fits.

[kindred4080]

It is the same stuff as telling ppl SL has spammable AoE (Flurry), BO doesnt.

[roadkillrobin]

You can use WoH in a spammeble fashion actually. Again, people arn't thinkin outside the box. You don't need to use Perfect Ballance skills just coz your in that stance. Its also a 360 AoE making alot more versitile then cone attacks.

The rotation for min-maxing WoH is.
SS, WoH, EB, WoH, EB, WoH (repeat)
Thats 3 WoH in 5 secs potential.

Long ago I worked on figuring out a rotation to see how you could min max spreading Heavens Blade ressist debuff.