Reintroductions and reflections.

[dansari]

sociopaths.

Let's not go down the path of name calling

[Gravord]

Yes its voluntary project. But players coming and playing it also does it voluntary. Main goal should be of growing this community and project with it, yet if feel the goal was set to silence anyone daring to not agree on everything with permabans. Do you honestly believe project run like that have future?

Ive argued with Torque about changes in the past over several pages. Never got so much as a warning. As long as you just state your opinion and dont say Im right your an idiot Ive never seen a problem. Some of the players that have been banned the server is way way way better without. I remember some of them from live that are on the forums from the other server and at least 2 I suspect are actual sociopaths.

Guess lucky you:

This is so wrong, I have to comment it. Sorry for pulling up a posting from many pages earlier.

If a wrath WP wants to rack up some impressive damage numbers, he'll spec "Soulfire" and "Guilty Soul". Both happen to be AOE DOT abilities. Hint: You apply Guilty Soul DoTs by spamming the wrath AOE ability "Smite".

If you keep spamming those during the entire scenario (zerg-heavy Battle for Praag is perfect) you'll end up with >300k damage but 0 kills. That's what we call fluff damage.

Im afraid you missed context. My statement was related to screen of 6vs6 fight with two good teams and experienced dps wp who for sure was not spamming aoe to pump his fake numbers but all dps he did came from single target.

I couldnt care less and given 50% of your posts on this forum have been in the thread whining about a class you dont play getting something Im starting to get irked.

In the same way that Volgograd hasnt singly resulted in getting the IB nerfed or Svarz getting every class he plays nerfed is that the top players are not indicative of a classes function at its core, a good player can make any turd shine, a really good player can do even more.

So.... you made your point.... repeatedly, now go and get some proof... or dont

I strongly advise you not to post in this thread again.

[Ravai]

Welcome back Aza, respect for admitting your mistakes, more recently the current teams though which it seems everybody else has given plenty on this matter already, very pleased to see bans being looked at as far too many have been for silly reasons, we have to remember that sometimes not only are you banning one person but this persons entire guild would potentially leave as well and has done in the past, hopefully the mute function is used more often as you said.

Everybody has different tolerances for trolling/banter whatever you want to call it, some instantly find it insulting,
others take it personal, some don't care and just ignore it and others find it funny and try to bait more. It makes mmos more fun to play for many people and ruins it for others, you loose players on both sides of the fence but this is the nature of this genre you will never please everybody. A good example of this is Haojun a self proclaimed troll, it seems he took it too far with a few members of staff, but this was due to his passion for the server. The guy lead a huge guild and helped many people find this place and ran almost daily warbands and groups with a huge selection of players, frequently ran tests alongside his guild on certain mechanics in the game to help better the server and you'd struggle to find one player who hasn't had fun playing in a group or warband with him.

While nobody is saying you have to take **** as staff and if people do go to far then fair enough, but players like this do a lot for a private server whether you like them or not. There isn't an endless pot of new players especially those who form and manage large guilds that will flock to ror anymore, with how the current leveling system is, specifically between the levels of 16-31 they wont stay long as the pvp opportunities in this bracket are still terrible.

[blakokami]

sociopaths.

Let's not go down the path of name calling

I agree with dansari, the respectful players of the RoR server have no need to stoop down to the levels of the RoR staff. The staff meet the quota of name calling on their own already. It's actually hilarious because Aza is trying hard to restore the image of the staff of this project, and in the same thread you have someone like Hargrim proving the point that the staff aren't ready to start being nice people just yet.

[Azarael]

Welcome back Aza, respect for admitting your mistakes, more recently the current teams though which it seems everybody else has given plenty on this matter already, very pleased to see bans being looked at as far too many have been for silly reasons, we have to remember that sometimes not only are you banning one person but this persons entire guild would potentially leave as well and has done in the past, hopefully the mute function is used more often as you said.

Everybody has different tolerances for trolling/banter whatever you want to call it, some instantly find it insulting,
others take it personal, some don't care and just ignore it and others find it funny and try to bait more. It makes mmos more fun to play for many people and ruins it for others, you loose players on both sides of the fence but this is the nature of this genre you will never please everybody. A good example of this is Haojun a self proclaimed troll, it seems he took it too far with a few members of staff, but this was due to his passion for the server. The guy lead a huge guild and helped many people find this place and ran almost daily warbands and groups with a huge selection of players, frequently ran tests alongside his guild on certain mechanics in the game to help better the server and you'd struggle to find one player who hasn't had fun playing in a group or warband with him.

While nobody is saying you have to take **** as staff and if people do go to far then fair enough, but players like this do a lot for a private server whether you like them or not. There isn't an endless pot of new players especially those who form and manage large guilds that will flock to ror anymore, with how the current leveling system is, specifically between the levels of 16-31 they wont stay long as the pvp opportunities in this bracket are still terrible.

I'm aware of the issues with leveling through dead brackets in particular and will be looking at adjusting XP gain based on the population present in those brackets of the lowest realm. I don't share the belief that seems to have become popular that you need to somehow earn the right to have fun by grinding PvE. I wouldn't do that myself.

I've received a PM on Haojun and have answered it. I expect he has received the response from the person who PMed me and knows what the situation is.

[Zanilos]

Welcome back Aza, respect for admitting your mistakes, more recently the current teams though which it seems everybody else has given plenty on this matter already, very pleased to see bans being looked at as far too many have been for silly reasons, we have to remember that sometimes not only are you banning one person but this persons entire guild would potentially leave as well and has done in the past, hopefully the mute function is used more often as you said.

Everybody has different tolerances for trolling/banter whatever you want to call it, some instantly find it insulting,
others take it personal, some don't care and just ignore it and others find it funny and try to bait more. It makes mmos more fun to play for many people and ruins it for others, you loose players on both sides of the fence but this is the nature of this genre you will never please everybody. A good example of this is Haojun a self proclaimed troll, it seems he took it too far with a few members of staff, but this was due to his passion for the server. The guy lead a huge guild and helped many people find this place and ran almost daily warbands and groups with a huge selection of players, frequently ran tests alongside his guild on certain mechanics in the game to help better the server and you'd struggle to find one player who hasn't had fun playing in a group or warband with him.

While nobody is saying you have to take **** as staff and if people do go to far then fair enough, but players like this do a lot for a private server whether you like them or not. There isn't an endless pot of new players especially those who form and manage large guilds that will flock to ror anymore, with how the current leveling system is, specifically between the levels of 16-31 they wont stay long as the pvp opportunities in this bracket are still terrible.

I'm aware of the issues with leveling through dead brackets in particular and will be looking at adjusting XP gain based on the population present in those brackets of the lowest realm. I don't share the belief that seems to have become popular that you need to somehow earn the right to have fun by grinding PvE. I wouldn't do that myself.

I've received a PM on Haojun and have answered it. I expect he has received the response from the person who PMed me and knows what the situation is.

No, he didn't know I asked. Was just trying to help a brother out.

[Azarael]

I stand corrected on that then.

[blakokami]

Your post was amazingly well-written & exciting Aza; and I'd love to come back to RoR... as soon as Torquemadra is no longer on staff. Until then, nah.

(You have no idea how many people I speak for)

The silent majority? Well, removing torque would be a good step. But let's not forget about his right hand man, his so called 'dog of war' Wargrim. They both probably just have very sad and difficult lives and have to vent using the power they have on this server. We should take pity upon them. Maybe making torque only able to work on DB and removing wargrim and having a head GM that cares about the community, someone like Github, would be the best thing to do.

[dur3al]

Its not vengence Telen. Aza topic didnt last 2 days without players being disrespected by other staff members already and its not going to stop unless they are removed.

Dude, you asked how staff are removed in a thread that was conciliatory and about wanting to reconcile past problems. You might not have meant it the way it came across but that would wind me up too. Its a voluntary project people have put effort into so we can play a dead game. Its not a corporation with a HR department. If I'd put in my time and then people started demanding I be removed well I can tell you I'd have a very fruity response.

"Volunteering at a dog shelter doesn't give you a right to kick a dog when it snaps at you. Volunteering at a soup kitchen doesn't give you the right to tell someone asking for a little more, "You don't pay me, you'll get what I give you." Doing a nice thing doesn't give you the right to be a jerk when you do it. If you are volunteering and expecting anything for it - even respect - you're not volunteering, you're silently charging rent and will inevitably start treating those who don't pay you whatever you feel you're due like they're freeloaders." (Original source where I quoted this from).



At this point I'd say its not even asking for heads, but asking for ACKNOWLEDGEMENT, like Aza did himself - but since he can't speak for the whole team, then others must speak too.

A project like this cannot have "clear structure and accountability" because of the nature of the hard power. Any person who has been entrusted with source code access has the theoretical power to begin another server if they feel aggrieved. The person who pays for the hardware chooses not to involve himself. The only power in RoR is soft power, and it's earned; this project is changed with influence, not attempts to sunder the staff.

I do have to agree with Gravord here, in the issue of lacking accountability to be honest. As I said earlier, at this point its not even about who done wrong in the past and if these very people will really incorporate a new vision from now on.. but whether there will be tools and someone responsible and accountable for, in the future (if for example, you end up leaving it again or so).

I've talked with you about this before, but there HAS to be someone who is in charge of sorts, where is the server physically located and who can go there and pull the plug? Or who pay the energy bills for keeping up the server, or can revoke the credentials to the code or something like this, I heard it would be Max, some others say it would be Yaliskah - there has to be someone, even if he don't want to take this leading role, then he can appoint someone else, and it works out from there on who is responsible for what creating a basic structure on responsibilities, duties, rights & most importantly, accountability etc.

EDITED FOR GITHUB:

having a head GM that cares about the community, someone like Github, would be the best thing to do.

+1 for Github!!

[Azarael]

Wargrim's reputation is being impugned. He does his job. It just so happens that part of his job involves protecting the staff and enforcing the rules, whatever they may be at the time. If you intend to criticise him, you should criticise anyone on the team who was dissatisfied but continued to play their roles.

For the record, he was appointed during my time and I support him being in his position. You can choose to trust me on that or not.

Edited for an important correction: a previous version of this post may have implied dissatisfaction on the part of Wargrim with affairs. I do not know his stance and do not speak for it.

I've talked with you about this before, but there HAS to be someone who is in charge of sorts, where is the server physically located and who can go there and pull the plug? Or who pay the energy bills for keeping up the server, or can revoke the credentials to the code or something like this, I heard it would be Max, some others say it would be Yaliskah - there has to be someone, even if he don't want to take this leading role, then he can appoint someone else, and it works out from there on who is responsible for what creating a basic structure on responsibilities, duties, rights & most importantly, accountability etc.

You can tell me that there has to be someone in charge as much as you wish, but it's simply not possible. This is a project of volunteers, some of whom have the source code. It is not a company.