Reintroductions and reflections.

[Arbich]

Yes its voluntary project. But players coming and playing it also does it voluntary. Main goal should be of growing this community and project with it, yet if feel the goal was set to silence anyone daring to not agree on everything with permabans. Do you honestly believe project run like that have future?

Nobody was ever banned for feedback in order to silence them. Don't create a story to criticise bans. Only immature people who collected warnings and escalated temp bans like candy were finally banned permanently.
Some people just never learned how to make valuable feedback.

Thats not true. People were banned for feedback. I mean, people were even banned for requesting pig mounts for dwarfs.
Thing is, what is valuable feedback? In this game different people prefer different play styles (large scale, small scale, rdps kiting groups, steamroll melee trains...). Some changes may annoy some people and when they express their opinion, the devs could know "well I had something in mind when I indroduce these changes, but it seems some people in community don´t agree with my mindset" (which not necessarily mean, the changes have to be reverted). This is feedback, but actually some were banned for this.

I still don´t get whats the purpose of this whole project. All this "your are testers first, not players". You can change careers serverside, you can create new dungeons, you can even change the client now. What else to test? Get it over with and shut this server down.

If you want to provide a server for all the people that still love a years old game, you must hear to the opinions of this people. I get it that it can me offending, when you put work in something and the first response in patch thread is "thats terrible changes, cause of..." But if you want to keep a populous server, it should be important for the devs to know that some of the community simply disagree with your changes. These people won´t express their opinion, when they fear a ban (like it was in the past)

[Gravord]

Didnt showed any support to new server. Merely expressed valid opinion that it would never happen if not misconducts of RoR staff members and poor treatment shown towards community.
Last time ive checked "being annoying" aint on the list of things that get ppl bans.
Only wound here is the one made by you, to me. Permaban based solely on a whim. Yet you refuse to acknowledge and admit that, not to mention actual apology for wrongfull treatment. But i guess godmode look down upon community prevents that kind of things.

I'm sorry that I was not more clear about the nature and duration of your forum suspension.

But not about the fact it was unjust Oka.

[GodlessCrom]

I think some of you dudes have some valid concerns and complaints (I've made some of the same in my time), but you guys are being handed a walk. Take your base, it's a good win. Wargrim even said sorry to someone not three posts above mine. From even a month ago, who could have ever foreseen this happening? It's a win for everyone on the server, or who was once on the server.

Wait for it to play out, and don't get ahead of yourselves. The devs are showing some good will and reflection. If things go back to how they were, we can all take our toys and go home again. But for now, have a little optimism.

But not about the fact it was unjust Oka.

Oh, come on. Be a man about it. He said he's sorry. Accept the apology and move on with your business.

[Telperien]

Yes its voluntary project. But players coming and playing it also does it voluntary. Main goal should be of growing this community and project with it, yet if feel the goal was set to silence anyone daring to not agree on everything with permabans. Do you honestly believe project run like that have future?

Nobody was ever banned for feedback in order to silence them. Don't create a story to criticise bans. Only immature people who collected warnings and escalated temp bans like candy were finally banned permanently.
Some people just never learned how to make valuable feedback.

If I ask in advice chat which empire horse is most pretty (I care about how things look like, I want to see everyday what I like, not what I dont) and get a second after suggestion from a GM to shut up or i`ll will suffer concequencies how would you call it?

[adamthelc]

Where does the sense of entitlement come from? The dead game was revived and is given to you for free. Who cares if someone gives you what you see as an unjust warning or reprimand? Leave it alone and move on, the world wont end.

From what I have seen people have problems when they cant accept the fact that they cant do or say whatever they want. Lots of your problems might stem from how you present your ideas and less about the ideas themselves.

Does making your point mean more to you than playing an awesome game for free? If so dont get upset by the result.

Anyway it's a little obnoxious to continue to whine about how you have been mistreated when they made this big gesture to say they are trying to do better. Which personally I think is unnecessary, but they are the ones in charge and have the authority to make that choice.

I am just a guy who enjoys playing the game and adds very little to the project. So I am ok with toeing the line, even if I dont like or agree with it.

[EternalChampion]

What an amusing and bizarre bit of news. Amusing, because it seems that losing the monopoly of being the only WAR server is causing some self-reflection on the adverse impact of being petty, tyrannical assholes. Bizarre, because one of those responsible for the server's reputation (the others being Wargrimnir and Torquemadra, of course) has decided that returning to leadership is a beneficial move now, of all times.

If my opinion results in a ban then at least I now have the option of another WAR server to play on, and that's good. Competition is always healthy.

[Mavella]

But not about the fact it was unjust Oka.

Son, build a bridge and the **** over it. Reading you fish for this magical post that will right all wrongs commited against you is getting tiring. This thread isn't for couples counseling. Ultimately many people were probably banned on flimsy grounds over a very long period of time. It's clear one of Az's goals is to evaluate these cases and try and right some of these wrongs and make some systemic changes. Will this help stem the hemorrhaging player base? I'll be interested to see. Dwelling on the fact you got banned for whatever reason changes nothing. Be glad you're even getting a second chance. If don't like it feel free to leave.

PS: Welcome back Az.

[Sulorie]

Yes its voluntary project. But players coming and playing it also does it voluntary. Main goal should be of growing this community and project with it, yet if feel the goal was set to silence anyone daring to not agree on everything with permabans. Do you honestly believe project run like that have future?

Nobody was ever banned for feedback in order to silence them. Don't create a story to criticise bans. Only immature people who collected warnings and escalated temp bans like candy were finally banned permanently.
Some people just never learned how to make valuable feedback.

If I ask in advice chat which empire horse is most pretty (I care about how things look like, I want to see everyday what I like, not what I dont) and get a second after suggestion from a GM to shut up or i`ll will suffer concequencies how would you call it?

This isn't exactly about forum feedback. If this all what happend to you, I would have made records of chat log and send it to some other stuff or just kept it im the case I need it.
I am not defending staff, I don't like one particularly as well for the way he responds to players.

What I do is closely follow any ban appeals and the related threads on the forum and I never had the feeling it was unjustified, especially as most perma bans had a long track record of previous infringements.

[Hargrim]

What an amusing and bizarre bit of news. Amusing, because it seems that losing the monopoly of being the only WAR server is causing some self-reflection on the adverse impact of being petty, tyrannical assholes. Bizarre, because one of those responsible for the server's reputation (the others being Wargrimnir and Torquemadra, of course) has decided that returning to leadership is a beneficial move now, of all times.

If my opinion results in a ban then at least I now have the option of another WAR server to play on, and that's good. Competition is always healthy.

Call others assholes and 'hey, that's just opinion man!'. Nice one.

[Acidic]

To me the complaining in the thread for the most part appear to come in two brands , I did not break any rules but I show you clearly that I am disrespectful and the other the staff are the cause of population fluctuations.

There is nothing to add to the post of I’m annoying and continue to be annoying and un-constructive .

The threads on population fluctuation should look at games normal population flows, all games go up and down depending on release of big chunks of work , this game is no exception. Trying to say that the staff behavior is anything to do with it is almost funny as most don’t read this forum .

I would like to see some facts around forum supposed bullying and the population rather than the standard pop goes up and down regardless of forum activity.

The negative posters should think about the fact that without the staff ram there would be nothing left of this game and using so much of the staffs energy to handle small portions of the players is a waste and slows down development of game components that keep the players interested in playing the game.