Reintroductions and reflections.

[Azarael]

Pig mounts.

This references this topic:

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Part of this post history:

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After the original topic was closed on the grounds that there was no recent lore basis for Dwarfs to ride pigs (and additionally that we don't have any for them to ride), the user in question continued to push the agenda, through forum posts in unrelated topics, PMs, and when told to stop constantly pushing for pig mounts because of our concerns about misrepresenting the Warhammer IP, he decided the best response to that was to change his signature to a request for pig mounts so that it would still form part of every post. He was temporarily banned for contravening my instructions.

Let's be clear on this at least; this topic is not intended to surrender the rights of staff to moderate people who are deliberately being a pain in the neck. All Internet communities will sanction you for behaving like a child. My problem is when people who are behaving like adults find themselves on the wrong end of the staff, and when the staff do not behave properly. I stand by that temp ban and always will.

What an amusing and bizarre bit of news. Amusing, because it seems that losing the monopoly of being the only WAR server is causing some self-reflection on the adverse impact of being petty, tyrannical assholes. Bizarre, because one of those responsible for the server's reputation (the others being Wargrimnir and Torquemadra, of course) has decided that returning to leadership is a beneficial move now, of all times.

If my opinion results in a ban then at least I now have the option of another WAR server to play on, and that's good. Competition is always healthy.

I wouldn't have described myself in general as a "petty, tyrannical asshole", even though I've admitted my own part in this. If I had been nothing more than such, my return would have not have been met the way it has. And to change when your environment does is simple human nature. Nothing amusing about it.

But not about the fact it was unjust Oka.

Oh, come on. Be a man about it. He said he's sorry. Accept the apology and move on with your business.

Displaying the viewpoint of "you deserved it", whether or not it is true, in a thread very shortly after the theft of the RoR codebase was always going to result in a reaction. Regardless of other issues, that codebase is our work and the other server does not have a right to it. I believe I said before in this thread that I am disappointed that given years to do it, those who were dissatisfied enough with RoR to want to compete with it did not have the integrity to raise their own competing project from scratch and needed to jack the RoR base to do it. That's my opinion on that regardless of my beliefs about the problems of RoR and the results thereof.

[Bozzax]

Where we are
-Server/team rep is at ATL
-Playerbase pretty much hate your guts even though you work for free (why is the important question)
-Most have stopped providing feedback and/or left
-You think you are doing good things (for free) and should be more respected
-forum into a ghost town

Above all I think the project strayed from being a community effort to ressurect WAR. In the end I believe this projects or stolen servers success is tied to if you respect WAR heritage as opposed to doing your own thing for personal pleasure.

Oh and this searching ol posts and deciding who was an asshat wont fix anything.

Wb and gl Aza

Maybe not so great changes

Spoiler:

-1-40/60 is a korean grind
-New content typically is tuned for hc play and are bottomless grinds/time sinks
- 24 player format for content is out of reach for most
- classes are changed in big clumsy efforts that dont respec the legay of WAR and player nostalgia
- big core changes to avoidance

[Azarael]

- classes are changed in big clumsy efforts that dont respec the legay of WAR and player nostalgia

That one will remain an opinion. RoR cannot and will never appeal to hardcore 1.4.8 purists, which is why a pure server should always have existed. That's a core philosophical choice. I know for a fact that the majority of people I have spoken to are not interested, at this point, in nostalgia considerations.

[Bozzax]

Ofc everything are opinions

I believe changes are bigger then they need to be. The prefereed solution seems to be rework insted of finetuning.

Bg is the perfect example. Moving parry snare down in the tree would have accomplished the same thing while respecting legacy.

[Wdova]

What an amusing and bizarre bit of news. Amusing, because it seems that losing the monopoly of being the only WAR server is causing some self-reflection on the adverse impact of being petty, tyrannical assholes. Bizarre, because one of those responsible for the server's reputation (the others being Wargrimnir and Torquemadra, of course) has decided that returning to leadership is a beneficial move now, of all times.

If my opinion results in a ban then at least I now have the option of another WAR server to play on, and that's good. Competition is always healthy.

What exactly You wanted to say with Your post? That Competition is always healthy? Yes I do agree. You could write that without the poor insults.

To be honest if You dont like this server, the devs and theyr action, You can leave. Nobody pointing a gun to Your head and force You to stay here.

I think Your opinion not gonna result in to ban. It gonna result how other players will look at You now and I sure You that in my eyes its nothing nice.

Now to more important notes.

Welcome back Aza. Was wondering if You ever come back and "bam", here You are.

Self reflection is always healthy and thank You for Your long post. It was interesting reading.

PS: I dont think majority of players want just replicate the same game as was on live with 1.4.8. patch. It was full of class and mechanics imbalance and its great that some parts of game and class and mechanics were tonned down while others were buffed.

[Telperien]

Spoiler:

Nobody was ever banned for feedback in order to silence them. Don't create a story to criticise bans. Only immature people who collected warnings and escalated temp bans like candy were finally banned permanently.
Some people just never learned how to make valuable feedback.

If I ask in advice chat which empire horse is most pretty (I care about how things look like, I want to see everyday what I like, not what I dont) and get a second after suggestion from a GM to shut up or i`ll will suffer concequencies how would you call it?

This isn't exactly about forum feedback. If this all what happend to you, I would have made records of chat log and send it to some other stuff or just kept it im the case I need it.
I am not defending staff, I don't like one particularly as well for the way he responds to players.

What I do is closely follow any ban appeals and the related threads on the forum and I never had the feeling it was unjustified, especially as most perma bans had a long track record of previous infringements

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At that time I felt sending saved SS of our conversation won't make any difference besides bringing me a trouble. As people bring those issues in that topic I wanted to show that happened more than once. Anyone interested in that SS can ask me for it.

[Gracely]

My last comment on this ever growing thread would be to let him get on with what he wants to do and give him the time to do that.

[Dajciekrwi]

- classes are changed in big clumsy efforts that dont respec the legay of WAR and player nostalgia

That one will remain an opinion. RoR cannot and will never appeal to hardcore 1.4.8 purists, which is why a pure server should always have existed. That's a core philosophical choice. I know for a fact that the majority of people I have spoken to are not interested, at this point, in nostalgia considerations.

Wow, this is perfect describe what i am " hardcore 1.4.8. purists", very precise psycho profile.
But more seriously Bozzax say true maybe too rough , but true. Purist or or not purist- we all need clear goals and explanation:
1) where we going, what we waiting in this game - (me personally: final ending of campaign Fortress, Altdorf, Hornburg or Lugburz)
2) Format 24 wb for anything is to big, we are old nerds with kid&cats, party 1-3 is maximum.
3) Devs can do all they want cos work for free- GREAT RESPECT. Left players on Battleground with this same role,want defend keep? defend it! want resources? bring it on your bare shoulders !!

that the way , which was never exmained on RoR friends.

[Ridduk]

Didnt showed any support to new server. Merely expressed valid opinion that it would never happen if not misconducts of RoR staff members and poor treatment shown towards community.
Last time ive checked "being annoying" aint on the list of things that get ppl bans.
Only wound here is the one made by you, to me. Permaban based solely on a whim. Yet you refuse to acknowledge and admit that, not to mention actual apology for wrongfull treatment. But i guess godmode look down upon community prevents that kind of things.

I'm sorry that I was not more clear about the nature and duration of your forum suspension.

But not about the fact it was unjust Oka.

You're just being pathetic now. Grow up.

[Jildaz]

Welcome Back Aza Great to see you are back.
Can i have Dual wield on my WL now ? please ^^