T1 and PvE

[Borek]

Even if the other player is lying you flat out admitted you've not tried it, so just shut up lol.

I never said such a thing. But nice try bro.

It's sad when people can't follow their own logic and argue a lost cause. Anyone can read the 1st post you made, it's clearly not your regular playstyle since you state

I've set up some groups- killed a few people- died more often than not, but the exp you get from killing players is exponentially greater than the renown you get.
I (solo) killed one player the other day and got 15k exp but only 200~ renown. -So there's no way you left t1 with rr27-30. You simply get way too much exp from killing players in t1.

Let me point out some of the many flaws in your argument, at no point did anyone claim you should solo AAO farm, the amount of reward you get from a kill has numerous variables, AAO is merely a multiplier. If you are running a 6 man ganking people lower level/numbers then you'll get way, way higher RR to XP ratio. I have made many kills where i get almost no XP and not much RR, does that mean i can make blanket claims about different situations? nope. It's just as preposterous as picking out a non-verified claim of 15k XP Vs 200 Renown and implying it's somehow the norm, which is most certainly is not.

[catholicism198]

And at no point did he say he did not.
These are all unsubstantiated claims- Mine is no less different than yours.
You can believe whatever you want to believe. Go out and try aao farming and see how that works out for you.
I did nothing but gank on my WE, and she hit r16 before she ever came close to rr27. Heck, she hit r25 before rr30, back when debolster was active with reduced exp pots.

Since aao is just a multiplier, go kill a few t1 players and multiply that by x% and see what you come up with.

[Sulorie]

Why you guy get crazy about max rr for t1? It doesn't make you any stronger and with -xp scroll at 16+ you can farm any rr you missed in t1.
rr30 in t1, which is only possible with afk bo farming, only allows you to grind xp from 16 till 24+ without having to worry about rr.

[Nidwin]

Warhammer Online is a cool Game and have many very nice zones , which are worth to play in that zone .
I only play PvP/RvR with a few Charakters , cause I dont have 4 to 5 hours time to play in RvR .
So many of the time I playing in Warhammer Online is eighter in T1 ore I play PvE at higher Zones .

RR is a very importent thing in the game , cause you can skill up your passiv skills . So I also look to keep RR on max , till I leave T1 at LvL 16 ( with RR 30 ). But to keep up RR maxed is getting even harder , cause the ratio exp to rr is from 3:1 to 10:1 in Nordland . So I cant go this RvR zones these days , cause I level much to fast cause of the heavy EXP .

Also in other zones I can see many people who also playing AFK ( dont attacking active ) to keep there RR maxed .

On the other Side the cap for RR was taken from RR80 to RR255 .

If the RR you can gain in T1 will raised from 20 per tick to ex. 40 per tick , will cause that many players will activly fighting in that range , instead of camping in T1 . Maybe its worth to try it !!!

Thanks for good work !!!

PS: I know that Warhammer is an RvR-based Game , but everyone should play it to have fun ! And it will be sad , if all the beatyfull PvE zones are made for nothing ! ( i know many will hate me cause I write this topic )

I wouldn't bother with trying to max your RR in T1 as it's actually pointless and keeping it to BO camping/leeching is boring with a big B. The renown gain in T2+ RvR (T2/T3/T4 have been merged and it's all part of T4, with all the little ones, sub lvl 31, bolstered to level 48 in main stats) is much much higher and will get you in no time to RR30+.

You don't need to spend 4 or 5+ hours in T2+(T4) RvR or wait till a zone flips/locks. As long as you contribute enough you'll get your rewards when the zone flips. Your xp, rr, inf, rvr currency and possible bag (if eligible to get one) will be granted to you by the server/game when the zone locks, even if you had already logged off. Your xp, rr and inf will be automaticly added and you'll receive your rvr currency and possible bag by mail, so you can retrieve your currency and bag the next time you log on.

The RR cap was raised because we still want to see purple numbers on our screens. The higher renown ranks only grant titles and nothing else at this point in time. May be some form of cosmetics (alternate appearance in the future) if I recall well but that's not the case at the moment or in the near future.

Everyone has the right to play the way he/she wants as long as they don't break the rules of RoR. But if you have limited playing time, as a lot of us do, I personaly don't consider AFKing at bo's and leeching tics fun gameplay. We all get zerged, rolled, stomped and die in the lakes. But we'll all reach 40RR80 one day. It's just that some will reach it faster than others.
Do you really want to ding RR80 by leaching BO tics?
I don't think so, especially if you also enjoy PVE.

Bad idea for renown gain per tick as it would make people afk bo leach even more.

Warhammer isn't only an RvR-based game as there's also PVE, sPvP (scenarios), the ToK (Tome of Knowledge), and a rich lore for roleplay. Nobody hates you for this topic or your "beautifull PVE zones" remark as your questions and may be doubts are valid and your PVE remark is true.

On a side note for the PVE content. My main (Nidwinqq Magus) has the title "Narcissist" so I did target myself(my toon) unarmored a freaking 10 000 times to have that title unlocked.

Enjoy the game the way you wantm just don't break the rules or game.

[Borek]

And at no point did he say he did not.
These are all unsubstantiated claims- Mine is no less different than yours.
You can believe whatever you want to believe. Go out and try aao farming and see how that works out for you.
I did nothing but gank on my WE, and she hit r16 before she ever came close to rr27. Heck, she hit r25 before rr30, back when debolster was active with reduced exp pots.

Since aao is just a multiplier, go kill a few t1 players and multiply that by x% and see what you come up with.

well done for admitting you were talking out your ass and you don't know anything for a fact. As for AAO farming then i would have to faction switch since I am playing Destro and 95% of the times i play they have the numbers, although the few times when Order gather a solid zerg and we've been fighting at AAO i did not notice much change in XP at all, but the RR was certainly increased. Mind you i'm just basing this off memory and i was not making notes or anything. What i do remember for SURE though is reward changes very dramatically based on various factors, most noticeable being the "player has been killed recently so it worth reduced experience" message. Often when those players get killed i may not even get any XP, but i still gain a small amount of renown. I'll also get way more XP when i kill people higher level than me and it seems they become worth more the longer they have gone without dying.

So yeah, if you form up a pre-made under AAO and move around a lot capping BO's then leaving, especially when level 12+, you'll tend to gain a LOT of renown especially if the enemy zerg has a high number of lower level alts which it often does since people tend to re-roll for some easy life on a BO when they have a big numbers advantage.

Given all that i can totally accept the claim that rr27+ is possible under AAO farming conditions.

In contrast your argument is "i once got 15000 XP and 200 renown for a kill" therefore-false. I'll call 100% bullshit on the 15000 XP/200 renown kill claim in T1 considering i usually get less exp than that for capping a hard fought T1 zone, lol.

[Psilord]

I don't know , how much exp you will gain for a kill , but if I played active in T1, I left T1 at RR16 to RR20 . That comes , cause you only get the RR from killing players , and no RR-points from standing on the mark . Today when you stand in Nordland at boat you will gain more than 200 points exp per tick . So no way to get the reputation-items from empire/Chaos side . Only the highelf/darkelf and dwarf/greenskin items are able to get .
When I play defensive I have already left T1 with RR30, 99% to RR31( it is hard to reach that , but its possible ) .

I am playing with 20 different charakters , and cause I am not 20 years old again , I will take the game a bit smoother . So I only play RvR with ranged charakters . That meens there are only 6 charts left , which are ranged . To be a healer is also a option , but most of the time not my choice for RvR . So 14 Chars out of 20 are for PvE , cause to play a tank in PvE is smooth, but in RvR to stressfull after a day in work .

So if I have a chartakter with rr30 for PvE I can skill for ex. parry , and these defensive abilitys are a huge thing and makes game a lot easyer to play ! Thats the reason I will look to leave T1 with as much RR as possible , cause there is no way for me to get RR in future with any charakter witch is no made for ranged fighting ( and that are the most of the charakters ) .
I have deleted most of my charakters few month ago , cause the RR was between 16 to 20 , and I realiced that its easyer to skill RR at low Level . But I have always loved the T1 RvR area , cause that was always much fun to fight there . Now its a bit frustrating to skill up the RR , but the relation of time spending to get RR30 in T1 is much lower than the time I will play from reching LvL 16 to LvL 40 .

So when I am looking at the game , ther si ALWAYS a hugh amount of players in T1 , but only 1 ore 2 WB in other zones . So I think that there are also many players who playing PvE , and when you look at T1 there are a big amount of Players who AFKing this zone . And I have opened that thrad , to discuss the reason , why so many people are AFKing in T1 , and maybe to find an way to make fighting a bit more intresting in T1 .
As I have alredy written I think when rr is raised in T1 ( not at higher Tiers ! ) more players will do it in an akive way .

thanks

[adamthelc]

The influence in ALL zones is very easy to get. Only classes I've had trouble on is Zealot/RP. They CAN solo, but it takes so long, good chance the person will walk away or someone else will show up.

I play a lot in T1 and do pretty well. Always leave at rr20/21. Dont really see the point in getting higher than that. Especially if you have to stick to a strict and boring plan to keep your ratio of renown to exp favorable.

They dont need to raise renown gains or lower exp gains. It sounds like you have no problem camping BOs, there is ample opportunity for that outside of T1.

[Psilord]

As you can see in the screenshot , I have gained 15k exp in RvR T1 , for killing one enemy player !!! For 3 kills , I have made more then half of the level from LvL 10 to LVL 11 . But I even got only a bit more then 12% from one RR level .
If it is balanced , it should be 1 RR level for the 3 kills . And I only want to say , that this has not been so for a long time . In the past it was no problem to keep LVL and RR on a ratio of 1:2 till you have left T1 .

Now I play the chars , witch I want to keep , and lvl them higher as afk chars in T1 ( but not working all the time , cause of the heavy exp ) . For this chars the fun beginns at lvl 16 !!!

For other chars where I want to have fon at T1 , I will made them , and fighting in RvR in T1 , and deleting them when they have reached lvl 16 , and making a new char ... and so one . The only real problem are the faction-items for T1 . You lvl that fast , that you dont have the chance to get all faction-items of all 3 sides befor you are lvl 16 .

[Sulorie]

The only real problem are the faction-items for T1 . You lvl that fast , that you dont have the chance to get all faction-items of all 3 sides befor you are lvl 16 .

Not true at all. When you get too much xp, then you have collected too much rested bonus. Play only one char and you will keep rested xp bonus low. You still get more xp than rp for kills but the ratio is like 3:1, 10:1 with rested and pretty healthy.