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[Nefarian78]

My question would be why are you even giving input on something you clearly have no interest or experience in?

I really don't know why you say i don't have interest in Scenarios. Scenarios is literally the thing i spend all day doing, both premade and pug.

You've misinterpreted or i wasn't clear enough when i said "haven't queued one in 2 years". I haven't queued a scenario that isn't t4 in 2 years, because they aren't an efficient way to level up or get rr compared to RvR

My question would be why you (and by extension the dev team) treat scenarios like **** on the floor and scenario players like second class players. Guess I'll never have the answer to my question.

[MedV]

It sucks knowing healers dont really want to join as much especially if they have the BIS sc heal weapon. Maybe giving healers/tanks an incentive to play more would be amazing. On my healer im forced to rvr and basically not allowed to que for scs bec i dont need anything scs offer me. Id be playing for 4k rr if I win and 1k if i lose. And most scs are either a stomp one way or the other.

SOLUTION: Everyone likes aesthetics in ROR. Make sc wins give tokens to buy unique trophies and dyes maybe even armor pots/Stat pots/ talis. The amount of tokens can be extremely high. Say 100 wins for 1 tali or a stack of 40 pots. But I think this would get wayyy more people queing.

[Natherul]

My question would be why you (and by extension the dev team) treat scenarios like **** on the floor and scenario players like second class players. Guess I'll never have the answer to my question.

Please explain how we treat scs like crap or sc players like second class citizens. To me that is entirely false as we do add new SCs, we do fix bugs in them, we just dont cater to making SC a primary focus. That is a huge difference.

[DanielWinner]

Say 100 wins for 1 tali or a stack of 40 pots. But I think this would get wayyy more people queing.

Another grind for some questionable stuff you could get muuuuch faster through simple PvMobs aka crafting? Nah, thanks.
100 wins is 16 hours of queueing SCs if you WIN ALL (it would be 32 hours in reality). Guess how many pots or tallies you can get in 16-32 hours with simple crafting or 22ch PQ – also this, it had best tallies as rewards but it didn’t make more people doing them.

[Nefarian78]

Please explain how we treat scs like crap or sc players like second class citizens. To me that is entirely false as we do add new SCs, we do fix bugs in them, we just dont cater to making SC a primary focus. That is a huge difference.

Devs saying scenario players deserve grinding for at least a month while it takes 4-5days to get full BiS set from RvR, scenarios being called minigames at least 50 times, month long grind to get weapon compared to rvr, 1to1 oppressor to dominator conversion, no sets/ways to get sets for healers/tanks from scenarios, resistance from certain staff members about changes regarding scenarios...Just off the top of my head, without thinking too much about it and without going to search more from post histories, otherwise i i could make the list 3 times longer and i would probably get a warning too.

The problem isn't the dev team not making scenarios their primary focus, i can completely understand that. It's the way you go about doing that.
You aren't making changes that encourage players to engage in RvR, like trading Genesis like Subjugator at the Smuggler, maybe. You're penalizing players left and right for not doing what you think is the main focus of this game and it has gotten worse and worse.

2 of the guilds i've been in have died because they felt the same. My friend list (and everyone i used to play 6man with) quit for the same reason. Another poster in this tread also feels like scenarios are just an afterthought. A couple days ago there was a conversation in a streamer's chat between 5-6 players feeling the same. Scenario guilds have gone extinct, except a couple that are mostly inactive and not recruiting.

I'm not the only one that feels this way.

[Natherul]

Please explain how we treat scs like crap or sc players like second class citizens. To me that is entirely false as we do add new SCs, we do fix bugs in them, we just dont cater to making SC a primary focus. That is a huge difference.

Devs saying scenario players deserve grinding for at least a month while it takes 4-5days to get full BiS set from RvR, scenarios being called minigames at least 50 times, month long grind to get weapon compared to rvr, 1to1 oppressor to dominator conversion, no sets/ways to get sets for healers/tanks from scenarios, resistance from certain staff members about changes regarding scenarios...Just off the top of my head, without thinking too much about it and without going to search more from post histories, otherwise i i could make the list 3 times longer and i would probably get a warning too.

The problem isn't the dev team not making scenarios their primary focus, i can completely understand that. It's the way you go about doing that.
You aren't making changes that encourage players to engage in RvR, like trading Genesis like Subjugator at the Smuggler, maybe. You're penalizing players left and right for not doing what you think is the main focus of this game and it has gotten worse and worse.

2 of the guilds i've been in have died because they felt the same. My friend list (and everyone i used to play 6man with) quit for the same reason. Another poster in this tread also feels like scenarios are just an afterthought. A couple days ago there was a conversation in a streamer's chat between 5-6 players feeling the same. Scenario guilds have gone extinct, except a couple that are mostly inactive and not recruiting.

I'm not the only one that feels this way.

Im sorry if people feel that way but I would not class it as us treating those players or playstyle as **** but as I said not the primary goal of the game. Also keep in mind that even IF we wanted to make it equal in gear progression that would have consequences too in regards to people doing SC / RvR as imagine that if you did not have to do SC to get those sets or weps there would be a lack of players running SCs as it would be obtainable through other means. (ofc this argument goes both ways, but Im not soo sure it would be beneficial to anyone that wants SC pops).

But again if we truly thought that SC gameplay was **** and the players who like to run it was second class citizens as it were then we would not bother doing any fixes or additions to SCs at all, so I object to that notion.

[Mystry]

I would much rather erase the renown rank system altogether. I am a firm believer that having two types of level is nothing but a detriment to the game as a whole. Can't level in PvE or you are left behind in renown rank and basically crippled, and trying to level through PvP only is just lol.

In addition, lets just merge medallions and emblems into one universal currency. That will at least mitigate the fact that there are few true healers or tanks in scenarios because they aren't rewarded with main-spec gear for doing so.

[Nefarian78]

Im sorry if people feel that way but I would not class it as us treating those players or playstyle as **** but as I said not the primary goal of the game. Also keep in mind that even IF we wanted to make it equal in gear progression that would have consequences too in regards to people doing SC / RvR as imagine that if you did not have to do SC to get those sets or weps there would be a lack of players running SCs as it would be obtainable through other means. (ofc this argument goes both ways, but Im not soo sure it would be beneficial to anyone that wants SC pops).

But again if we truly thought that SC gameplay was **** and the players who like to run it was second class citizens as it were then we would not bother doing any fixes or additions to SCs at all, so I object to that notion.

I'm not advocating for 100% equal gear progression or unified currency, as that would probably make the scenario situation even worse considering most people do RvR primarily.

What i'd love to see is a set for healers and tanks bought with scenario currency. Scenarios, outside of farming renown, are a complete waste of time in terms of character progress for healers and tanks. I think an additional set for those roles will encourage them to participate in Scenario, solving the issue of always lacking healers/tanks and without damaging the RvR population.

I know the team is neither interested nor (i suppose) has the time to implement 2 new scenario sets, but one can always dream.

[Rathael87]

On top of that, the fact that healers are limited to being rewarded with DPS gear from scenarios is crazy. That's a sure-fire way to ensure many healers stay out of scenarios.

Seconded. It's crazy. I love to play healers, and every single time I have to give up sc'ing because I need medaillons.
As someone who doesn't have long hours to play, it's incredibly frustrating.

Other archetypes don't have to make that choice, as the other set will still do its job.

As a tank in one of the more serious oRvR guilds on the server, I'd probably be barred from warbands if I was caught trying to run around in dominator gear.

[adamthelc]

I disagree with a lot that's being said. I dont think there is anything majorly wrong with scenarios. It would be nice if they were more frequent, but a lot of that is population numbers.

They only have a finite number of people and they would rather have them in the world than in an instance. I am not a fan of that strategy, but I cant say it wrong.

I dont think they ignore scenarios or try to hurt them in any way. On the contrary I think they have a decent amount of support for them. Some of which I dont agree with, but I cant say it's not there. I dont care about the pug scenarios and would like to be able to queue up with groups larger than 6. That is just a difference of opinion.

Really only 2 of 3 healers have dps gear from scenarios. But I think the argument that healers wont do scenarios is terrible. Scenarios arent a means to get gear you do them because you enjoy them.

When the game came out there werent emblems, medalion, scenario weapons or anything else from as scenarios. You could get drops of gloves and boots I think, but besides that it was just renown. People still did them, because they enjoyed them and wanted to win.

So all this nonsense about their flaws is exactly that. The only issue is population and systems in place to favor RvR over Scenarios. The former you cant do much about and the latter is design choice.