Statement current exploits

[Mawz]

I was wondering if there can be anything said about t2 you guys could talk about like how the work is coming along.

[navis]

I don't even know what the Gold exploit is/was...
cheers to getting things back on track.

[Timbot13]

Hi all^^

I am sad to see how many people that are not able to emphasize with others...
//Xiu

Your comparison, and lack of understanding is way off

lets get this straight this game has pvp(centric) and pve, but what you are trying to do is lump the pve and pvp and act like it's one sport.

WAR
Pvp-killing players, sc, keeps, and other such things involving direct player interactions(harder than pve in most cases)

Pve- killing mobs, pq, quests, story other things involving AI/NPC (generally easier, and meant for certain progression and story)

What you are trying to say is that football can be equated by just the game being both the pve(defense) and pvp(offense). In reality its more along the lines of the actual game being pvp, real players going head to head to compete for fame and glory. While going to the gym to work on your attributes and such during breaks between(nothing wrong with that).

I think you are assuming way too many things when you say people dislike farming, I like to farm, it can be relaxing and a nice break in between. What it isnt and shouldn't be is the way you primarily gear up and progress in a heavily pvp based game. It should be for filling gaps, cosmetics, story, etc. Not the primary source of gear, maybe not even money but that just depends.

I respect your time and effort in farming, and understands it sucks being wiped. Though not farming does not invalidate people asking for wipes and other things as they play the game too and work much harder for gear. Organizing groups and pvping will be harder than just farming mobs in most scenarios.

Farming has its place as it helps test drops rates and other things, but that's what this is a big test. This test is for the devs and us to get a taste and feel for what the game was as we remember, and should be as it evolves. It will take time and effort from both pvp and pvers to get this game fully functioning. I do not discredit your time farming it helps and I thank you for it. Though I do not feel you should have an attitude or be even slightly disturbed for losing entire characters during alpha phases, as it is widely known/accepted/understood that those characters are for testing.

I'm sorry for the wall of text but it was getting too me seeing farmers get mad that they would be getting wiped in alphas cause of exploits and over saturation. In the end this can only be good for the overall health of the game.

Please repsect the decisions of the devs for this game and the effort they put into it.

Tldr- your comparisons were wrong, and you should understand alphas are meant for testing and progression of the game not your character.

[Rsoe]

Hi Timbot! ^^

"Your comparison, and lack of understanding is way off"

Maybe there is a difference in the way we understand things or express ourselves, as i think you misunderstand/misinterpretated or maybe i expressed myself in wrong ways.

"lets get this straight this game has pvp(centric) and pve, but what you are trying to do is lump the pve and pvp and act like it's one sport."

I dont want to lump pve. I want pvp and pve.

"WAR
Pvp-killing players, sc, keeps, and other such things involving direct player interactions(harder than pve in most cases)

Pve- killing mobs, pq, quests, story other things involving AI/NPC (generally easier, and meant for certain progression and story)"

I dont disagee.

"What you are trying to say is that football can be equated by just the game being both the pve(defense) and pvp(offense). In reality its more along the lines of the actual game being pvp, real players going head to head to compete for fame and glory. While going to the gym to work on your attributes and such during breaks between(nothing wrong with that)."

No, im am not trying to refer the specific nature of playstyle to that of a football team, its more simpel: as a football team is a whole, so is the playerbase.

"I think you are assuming way too many things when you say people dislike farming, I like to farm, it can be relaxing and a nice break in between. What it isnt and shouldn't be is the way you primarily gear up and progress in a heavily pvp based game. It should be for filling gaps, cosmetics, story, etc. Not the primary source of gear, maybe not even money but that just depends."

I am not saying it should be the primary way of gearing up. Hopefully it wont be:P

"I respect your time and effort in farming, and understands it sucks being wiped. Though not farming does not invalidate people asking for wipes and other things as they play the game too and work much harder for gear. Organizing groups and pvping will be harder than just farming mobs in most scenarios."

In some way it does, because its not a matter of what WAR was or RoR is becoming. I am trying to address the very case specific, the present, as the current state of RoR: We have farmed and dont want the effort spend to be wasted. What to do about that? The discussion is more of ethical nature and a discussion how to solve this situation through micro/macro management. Also now it is not possible to gain gear from rvr. Im not saying it should not be possible, but they are not working harder now, will they in the future? Hopefully and i will too^^

Again its very present to me. Its not about what WAR was or RoR should be. Its the very situation of having spend time and the effort being wasted. Thats why i dont think they can have a say. It not a statement on my opinion towards the development.

This is maybe for the same reason i feel lack the compassion. The discussion is often of what WAR was and RoR should be rather the specific nature of this situation in regards of ethics.

"Farming has its place as it helps test drops rates and other things, but that's what this is a big test. This test is for the devs and us to get a taste and feel for what the game was as we remember, and should be as it evolves. It will take time and effort from both pvp and pvers to get this game fully functioning. I do not discredit your time farming it helps and I thank you for it. Though I do not feel you should have an attitude or be even slightly disturbed for losing entire characters during alpha phases, as it is widely known/accepted/understood that those characters are for testing."

I agree, i simply ask if there is another way.

"I'm sorry for the wall of text but it was getting too me seeing farmers get mad that they would be getting wiped in alphas cause of exploits and over saturation. In the end this can only be good for the overall health of the game."

I am not mad, i apologize for misleading you. Im interested in the overall health of the game to. And i like rvr, more than farming, but i am trying to focus on the present dilemma, and not trying to justify actions through past or future state of the game.

"Please repsect the decisions of the devs for this game and the effort they put into it."

I have never stated otherwise nor insinuated otherwise, hopefully^^

"Tldr- your comparisons were wrong, and you should understand alphas are meant for testing and progression of the game not your character.[/quote]"

Depends on the degree of interpretation put on the comparissons I guess. Although i do agreed that alphas are for testing, but that doesn't mean all alphas has to be the same.

Hope it clears up for some misunderstandings/wrong expressions:)

/Xiu

[wiscel]

I wished our dev team had focussed more on bringing new levels and introduce T2, fix PQ's and Quests. Once that had been done I would have gone for a total gold AND itemwipe (all those exploiters will have bought best gear for their alts by now), and maybe reset all characters to L1 as well. But, that's just my 2 cents.

[TenTonHammer]

If they did not pay attention to the issue now they by the time T2 is here the issue will have totally spiraled of of control as it now it's very hard for now toon/players to get items from other players and the ah due to inflation and due to people now hoarding items

Let me give you some context: decimator choppa gear is now 6-9g

If we want to make this game more accisible to players then these issues need to be fixed now

[Bozzax]

You deal with exploits hastily or the exploits become the norm.

Example bugged out timers on LOTD tallies

[Azarael]

Some people should really not be posting in this thread.

[Tesq]

You deal with exploits hastily or the exploits become the norm.

Example bugged out timers on LOTD tallies

That's the point.. we all used lotd weapon and we know why.
Good player must endure this, also not exploit things but report someone that do that.
That's the way to solve problems.
I will not enter on the matter of being or not enjoyable to farm; but as sigmar said------>"alpha"
If Gm (and they can look at all servers data, they have numbers, not just speculations as our) fell the need to do something i'm ok with that.
That said, i will hate gear wipe but until server is on im ok with it, ppl seems to forgot war was dead on 18 dec 2013.
One half years later we are nearby on t2 that's just wonderfull.

[Bozzax]

One half years later we are nearby on t2 that's just wonderfull.

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