working as intended

[jasonX]

Maybe in your ideal world SW gets bonus from Berserk without handicap, Stealth without handicap, Pounce without handicap (oh wait...nvm), massive armor without handicap (wait a sec...nvm)

Again trying to get people within the refereed issue and not to stat whining on whats in their head at the time while keeping them off the bro-science loop theory craft... QUite a hard job...


I am not debating the mobility of a SW because if i did then we would have to make 999999 posts over why wirlwin pin sucks and every single tank and mdps can not only catch up to you but also dps you while you cannot defend attacks on the air or why not having a snare breakloose and a charge skill doesnt help you be mobile.
Moreover i do not even refer to the benefits of the melee SW since 99% of the SW DO NOT CREATE A SW TO PLAY A MELEE CLASS! (btw does SH or WL or Mara have a handicap for their pouncing abilities? anyways).
I will not even debate the SW "imba" armor buff cuz then I would have to analyze in 1000 rows how Azezune's mara crited me with Guilotine for 1.2k on my 6.2K armor fun set combination..... (yeah armor stack screws over squigs and SWs but not the rest)



I am just referring to the joke of a damage output of the skirmish stance against so-called "cloth" armor classes.

350 dmg per 1 sec against a target with 7000 hp is...... 7000/350= 20 seconds of spamming an afk shaman to die...
A shaman is by nature a caster, a CLOTH caster actually.
A mara will require further more time to die and a tank is out of the question
If you consider that a serious damage output then I do not think we have much to say... A choppa/slayer autoattack by only one out of his 2 weapons would do the same damage as my casted skill without a berserk mode.

[jasonX]

All this ruckus because a SW, that stacks armor - whilst being member of a dedicated large scall guild no less - and that goads pugs into pushing with avoidance M1 through funnels held by organised opposition, fails to pewpew.

If only armory displayed .getstats and masteries, and more so if people unterstood basic concepts (such as stat-coefficients)...

Gullibility is a helluva drug, isn't it? Duels got reimplemented, dummies are a thing and parsers are aswell, recording footage isn't rocketscience either... all these fancy tools and yet none of you demands data, you just roll with screenshots devoid of any context.
Then again, you might just intend to kill time - taking drivel at face value, parroting misinformation and arguing neverendlessly without ever having established a solid basis for discussion might just be your schtick.

Prepare your popcorn for the balance forums, it's gunna be hilarious.

Just another troll with 0 maths to back up anything spamming cuz has nothing better to do with its life.
When did having-0-arguments became a debate method? Oh I know since Trump made it a thing.

[peterthepan3]

When did having-0-arguments became a debate method? Oh I know since Trump made it a thing.

You okay, hon? Let's keep the politics away!

[jasonX]

When did having-0-arguments became a debate method? Oh I know since Trump made it a thing.

You okay, hon? Let's keep the politics away!

Nah hehe no politics, just some old school populism by my side.

[Daino]

Spoiler:

I'd bring a friend, that's the best way to beat up a shaman. Preferably in a dark alley without any witnesses.

I got nothing to add, I just want to be a part of this thread

[jasonX]

Spoiler:

I'd bring a friend, that's the best way to beat up a shaman. Preferably in a dark alley without any witnesses.

I got nothing to add, I just want to be a part of this thread

make sure your friend is a WL or you are both screwed... he will dot you to death and dance over your corpses

[Ysaran]

Maths is surely great, but... You have to use the right formula to make it work properly!
The damage you RECEIVE from enemies attack is calculated as:
Damage + offstatmod * (offstat - yourtoughness) + weapondps * dpsmod. Now game check for crit and then armor mitigation happen.
So you calculations are too approximate to be considered worthy since you don't consider the variables "offstatmod", "weapondps" and "dpsmod". The reality is that only devs can calculate damage accurately.
Note1: I stole the formula from RoR FB official page, if you want the source I can edit this post later, now I'm not at pc.
Note2: I'm not sure what "Damage", maybe it's skill damage? I'm not sure about it

All the damage is depicted properly in the skill tooltip damage which refreshes every time you make a change on your offensive stat your gear etc. I made a lot of trials on target dummies and the only stat not depicted in skill tooltip damage is Ranged power (and melee power respectively i suppose) which adds a minor bonus that is not shown on the tooltip dmg. Thats why i did not include ranged power on my calculations to keep them simple. Other than that the damage dealt by skills is correctly reported as i told you so.

The formula u r using might be correct but you do not have to take it into account since the skill tooltip damage gives you the result of that formula already.

So offstatmod (which i dont really know what it is) and weapondps and dpsmod variables are already depicted in the tooltip damage. My formulas take that into account already. My maths work please make some trials yourself and use the maths properly . You will see that I am right. Dont keep feeding the bro-science loop.

In the formula appears the enemy toughness so: no, not all is included in tooltip values. At least offstatmod is out of tooltip-value since in the formula appears offstatmod*enemytoughness. Moreover dummies have zero toughness and zero armor

[Sesquap]

Spoiler:

All this ruckus because a SW, that stacks armor - whilst being member of a dedicated large scall guild no less - and that goads pugs into pushing with avoidance M1 through funnels held by organised opposition, fails to pewpew.

If only armory displayed .getstats and masteries, and more so if people unterstood basic concepts (such as stat-coefficients)...

Gullibility is a helluva drug, isn't it? Duels got reimplemented, dummies are a thing and parsers are aswell, recording footage isn't rocketscience either... all these fancy tools and yet none of you demands data, you just roll with screenshots devoid of any context.
Then again, you might just intend to kill time - taking drivel at face value, parroting misinformation and arguing neverendlessly without ever having established a solid basis for discussion might just be your schtick.

Prepare your popcorn for the balance forums, it's gunna be hilarious.

Just another troll with 0 maths to back up anything spamming cuz has nothing better to do with its life.
When did having-0-arguments became a debate method? Oh I know since Trump made it a thing.

Low res screenshots devoid of context, uncontrolled test environment, pathetic sample size, questionable application of combat formulas, political gibberish, fallacies (ad hom, ad pop, ...).

The burden of proof is on you - calling what you've presented so far rubbish would give you too much credit, even the occassional shitposter arguing on the basis of a scenario scoreboard has more leverage for their claim.

Edit:
The burden of proof incorporates the integrity of methodology and the disclosure of all relevant parameters, moreso structure, coherent argumentation and efforts to create a controlled environment to allow for the replication of findings. With that said, you are amazingly confident and condescending for how miserably you failed to make your case.

[abodam]

Want strong ST Burst? Play BW.
Want long range? Play Engi.
Want mobility and utility? Play SW.
Class should not be able to do everything.

[Aurandilaz]

Maybe in your ideal world SW gets bonus from Berserk without handicap, Stealth without handicap, Pounce without handicap (oh wait...nvm), massive armor without handicap (wait a sec...nvm)

Again trying to get people within the refereed issue and not to stat whining on whats in their head at the time while keeping them off the bro-science loop theory craft... QUite a hard job...


I am not debating the mobility of a SW because if i did then we would have to make 999999 posts over why wirlwin pin sucks and every single tank and mdps can not only catch up to you but also dps you while you cannot defend attacks on the air or why not having a snare breakloose and a charge skill doesnt help you be mobile.
Moreover i do not even refer to the benefits of the melee SW since 99% of the SW DO NOT CREATE A SW TO PLAY A MELEE CLASS! (btw does SH or WL or Mara have a handicap for their pouncing abilities? anyways).
I will not even debate the SW "imba" armor buff cuz then I would have to analyze in 1000 rows how Azezune's mara crited me with Guilotine for 1.2k on my 6.2K armor fun set combination..... (yeah armor stack screws over squigs and SWs but not the rest)



I am just referring to the joke of a damage output of the skirmish stance against so-called "cloth" armor classes.

350 dmg per 1 sec against a target with 7000 hp is...... 7000/350= 20 seconds of spamming an afk shaman to die...
A shaman is by nature a caster, a CLOTH caster actually.
A mara will require further more time to die and a tank is out of the question
If you consider that a serious damage output then I do not think we have much to say... A choppa/slayer autoattack by only one out of his 2 weapons would do the same damage as my casted skill without a berserk mode.

If you are expecting Sl/Ch like dmg on a R A N G E D pewpew class that has no special "high risk - high reward" mechanic... honestly I am not sure how to keep arguing without losing my sanity.
You choose few special screenshots devoid of any wider context regarding groups setups or class debuffs/buffs applied, and then complain that you are you not hitting hard enough against a defensive survival spec healer...

If you want to play a low risk low reward class like ranged SW, keep playing. If you want more dmg, but also want to take greater risks or experience a truly suicidal level of gameplay or getting your fight ruined due to pet handicaps and Achilles heels... try some other rdps or mdps?
Personally if I were trying to become better on SW, I'd check what Zeromancer is doing and trying to become as good at nuking people on a "gimped" class, that still retains armor debuff and ranged KD, and with good battlefield awareness while playing it safe away from enemy melee trains.