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orillah
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#451 » Sat May 16, 2020 1:09 pm

Order doesnt need Sw's at warband, especially ranged.
Order doesnt need Ib's in a wb.
Order doesnt need Engi's in a wb.
Order strongly doubt WH's in a wb.
Order need a skill check for Am healers in wb.No room for dps am's ofc.
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#452 » Sat May 16, 2020 1:12 pm

When Plating Shaman after AM I find the biggest advantage is the character model. It’s the inverse problem with tanks.
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#453 » Sat May 16, 2020 1:13 pm

The reason there are so many WPs is that they're tanky and so less dependent on support from tanks/other healers, look cool and people are hoping against all odds that there will be a viable 2H spec for rvr play.
Potential healing output over a fight is higher (at least for RP) if both are free casting from the backline, but the WP will likely pull ahead if they're taking either very little damage (so the faster cast time lets him heal first) or if the healers are being pressured due to better survivability and getting 20% more healing after a disrupt (wtb that tactic on DoK pls).
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there is reason why ppl play wp is = soulstorm ( sororitas and space marines)
why play sw = tell thx to legolass and petter jackson
if order tanks would be smurfs from ultramarines than evryone would play smurfs
p,s +20 % heal need proc and wp need stand in fire to proc it

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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#454 » Sat May 16, 2020 1:16 pm

orillah wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 1:09 pm
Order doesnt need Sw's at warband, especially ranged.
Order doesnt need Ib's in a wb.
Order doesnt need Engi's in a wb.
Order strongly doubt WH's in a wb.
Order need a skill check for Am healers in wb.No room for dps am's ofc.
wh got nerfed dragongun ( overnerfed)
ib is good for slayer or any ather class to buff it
engi who can use special tactics as debuffer is welcome
byt bw raw power really outshine rest clases

Tillbeast
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#455 » Sat May 16, 2020 1:23 pm

They made hybrid classes dps too good both for rdps and mdps. A shaman nor an arch mage should not even come close to even the lowest true rdps class nor should 2h tanks compete with true mdps classes. Those off specs should just be available to help those classes level to cr40, not be viable end game specs. If hybrids do anymore dps there be no point playing the classes whose only option is to dps.

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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#456 » Sat May 16, 2020 1:30 pm

jvlosky wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 6:30 am
You can't blame players for playing the class they enjoy. Some people don't follow the flavor of the month and shouldn't be punished for it.

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growill
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#457 » Sat May 16, 2020 2:10 pm

orillah wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 1:09 pm
Order doesnt need Sw's at warband, especially ranged.
Order doesnt need Ib's in a wb.
Order doesnt need Engi's in a wb.
Order strongly doubt WH's in a wb.
Order need a skill check for Am healers in wb.No room for dps am's ofc.
See this is a problem. that's almost half of order's classes that are not viable because they underperform. How many destro classes' are locked out of wb play?
See if one side has half his classes that are too weak to be played (with their utilities then unavailable for their team) and the other doesn't that's the literal definition of unbalance with one faction stronger than the other

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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#458 » Sat May 16, 2020 2:36 pm

growill wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 2:10 pm
orillah wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 1:09 pm
Order doesnt need Sw's at warband, especially ranged.
Order doesnt need Ib's in a wb.
Order doesnt need Engi's in a wb.
Order strongly doubt WH's in a wb.
Order need a skill check for Am healers in wb.No room for dps am's ofc.
See this is a problem. that's almost half of order's classes that are not viable because they underperform. How many destro classes' are locked out of wb play?
See if one side has half his classes that are too weak to be played (with their utilities then unavailable for their team) and the other doesn't that's the literal definition of unbalance with one faction stronger than the other
The problem order has is that almost half their roster is underperforming, while a good chunk of the other half is overperforming. BWs > Sorcs, WPs > DoKs (in terms of healing), RPs have better survivability than Zealots , KotBS provides better buffs than Chosen. So the balance is there, order players just aren't playing enough of the stronger classes. They'd rather play the weak engineers or SWs instead of BWs, Slayers or WLs.

While destro has more options, the best possible setup for a wb is still on Order side.
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#459 » Sat May 16, 2020 3:17 pm


The problem order has is that almost half their roster is underperforming, while a good chunk of the other half is overperforming. BWs > Sorcs, WPs > DoKs (in terms of healing), RPs have better survivability than Zealots , KotBS provides better buffs than Chosen. So the balance is there, order players just aren't playing enough of the stronger classes. They'd rather play the weak engineers or SWs instead of BWs, Slayers or WLs.

While destro has more options, the best possible setup for a wb is still on Order side.
In what way does the RP have better survivability than the Zealot?

Omegus
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Re: Debate about why Order is how it is.

Post#460 » Sat May 16, 2020 3:28 pm

Banjomissen wrote:
Sat May 16, 2020 3:17 pm

The problem order has is that almost half their roster is underperforming, while a good chunk of the other half is overperforming. BWs > Sorcs, WPs > DoKs (in terms of healing), RPs have better survivability than Zealots , KotBS provides better buffs than Chosen. So the balance is there, order players just aren't playing enough of the stronger classes. They'd rather play the weak engineers or SWs instead of BWs, Slayers or WLs.

While destro has more options, the best possible setup for a wb is still on Order side.
In what way does the RP have better survivability than the Zealot?
You need to blow tactics on most of it but the extra tools are: extra armour (racial), AOE punt on reduced cooldown with added snare, reduced stun/kd duration (racial), snares on the single-target dot, life-tap dot/hot. I'm not saying these are all actually good and/or viable, just that those are the tools it has.

Zealot is garbage tier in terms of survivability, Rune Priest hovering just a fraction above it :P
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