Shield doks / hybrid sham ranked

[ByzantineTime]

cuz melee heal could actually fulfill healing role in healer slot ?

mastery invest is also a factor iirc.
maybe devs think am/sham lifetap is not enough to take healer slot.

or bug.

Yeah but why is shielded dok full dps build is a healer role and sham can't do same way?

[ByzantineTime]

Was testing out a Burst o’waaaagh build with renown crits and if i recall correctly off crits (tac or renown) stamp you dps.

And +25% damage tac ofc

Int a non factor to my knowledge

I am in dps gear but heal masteries, defensive renown, heal crit, no dps tactic , heal crit tac, and I'm still a dps..

I found it out, once willpower is higher than Intelligence only then shaman counts as a healer, I think it should be fixed, what do you think?

[Crumbs]

cuz melee heal could actually fulfill healing role in healer slot ?

mastery invest is also a factor iirc.
maybe devs think am/sham lifetap is not enough to take healer slot.

or bug.

Yeah but why is shielded dok full dps build is a healer role and sham can't do same way?

Mate because one is a shield dok and one is a shaman. Right now you're being handed a tomato and you refuse to accept its existence and ask "why can't it be a pumpkin"? Over and over

SHIELD DOK ----------- SHAMAN = not the same.

Shield dok can wear full dps gear and lifetap heal because they have a dedicated build for it. That doesnt mean they are dps spec, they are pure melee heal spec, and the requirements to heal in that spec are to use dps stats.

Shaman has no pure lifetap healing build, fodg does not scale from offensive stats, you can lifetap heal a little, but not enough to allow you to take up a heal slot in a 6v6.

[Sulorie]

Melee heal with str gear doesn't make you a dps. Your dmg is aoe fluff and your job is to heal.
When you want to be considered dps, take dual swords.

[ByzantineTime]

cuz melee heal could actually fulfill healing role in healer slot ?

mastery invest is also a factor iirc.
maybe devs think am/sham lifetap is not enough to take healer slot.

or bug.

Yeah but why is shielded dok full dps build is a healer role and sham can't do same way?

Mate because one is a shield dok and one is a shaman. Right now you're being handed a tomato and you refuse to accept its existence and ask "why can't it be a pumpkin"? Over and over

SHIELD DOK ----------- SHAMAN = not the same.

Shield dok can wear full dps gear and lifetap heal because they have a dedicated build for it. That doesnt mean they are dps spec, they are pure melee heal spec, and the requirements to heal in that spec are to use dps stats.

Shaman has no pure lifetap healing build, fodg does not scale from offensive stats, you can lifetap heal a little, but not enough to allow you to take up a heal slot in a 6v6.

Yeah but how do you know it's not effective? did you test it? with high % m.crit, and no healing reduction tactics I believe I can heal fairly well, you will get loads of hp from my dot, + normal heals. I'll do an SC and show you numbers I'll test it, no fodg needed only solo heals, perfect for ranked.

Plus in this way, my mechanic is going to work, lifetap dot will be stronger overall all dots + heals, let's see, I will test it, i'll show you.

[ByzantineTime]

Melee heal with str gear doesn't make you a dps. Your dmg is aoe fluff and your job is to heal.
When you want to be considered dps, take dual swords.

I don't know, a shield dok have higher damage numbers than a dps class, sure it's not burst damage or maybe useful as in killing useful, but the numbers are there, and they heal from it, combined they reach 500k+ the good ones, it's insane.

[noronn]

Please tell me your shamans name so I can dodge and don’t have to waste time in ranked. Thank you.

[Sulorie]

Melee heal with str gear doesn't make you a dps. Your dmg is aoe fluff and your job is to heal.
When you want to be considered dps, take dual swords.

I don't know, a shield dok have higher damage numbers than a dps class, sure it's not burst damage or maybe useful as in killing useful, but the numbers are there, and they heal from it, combined they reach 500k+ the good ones, it's insane.

Their dmg is similar to aoe dots of an engi or magus. They pump up numbers because their heal attack hits multiple targets. There is zero dmg pressure. They give great baseline healing, as long as they can hit their targets. I wouldn't even say it is sustained dmg comparable to what a real dps class can deliver.
This is one occasion where sc scoreboard tricks people. It's not even hard to out dps and out heal others in ranked, if fighting classes like slayer, which give constant aoe pressure, as you heal faster than anyone else and it is aoe heal.

[ByzantineTime]

Melee heal with str gear doesn't make you a dps. Your dmg is aoe fluff and your job is to heal.
When you want to be considered dps, take dual swords.

I don't know, a shield dok have higher damage numbers than a dps class, sure it's not burst damage or maybe useful as in killing useful, but the numbers are there, and they heal from it, combined they reach 500k+ the good ones, it's insane.

Their dmg is similar to aoe dots of an engi or magus. They pump up numbers because their heal attack hits multiple targets. There is zero dmg pressure. They give great baseline healing, as long as they can hit their targets. I wouldn't even say it is sustained dmg comparable to what a real dps class can deliver.
This is one occasion where sc scoreboard tricks people. It's not even hard to out dps and out heal others in ranked, if fighting classes like slayer, which give constant aoe pressure, as you heal faster than anyone else and it is aoe heal.

Thanks for the explanation.

[Crumbs]

Yeah but why is shielded dok full dps build is a healer role and sham can't do same way?

Mate because one is a shield dok and one is a shaman. Right now you're being handed a tomato and you refuse to accept its existence and ask "why can't it be a pumpkin"? Over and over

SHIELD DOK ----------- SHAMAN = not the same.

Shield dok can wear full dps gear and lifetap heal because they have a dedicated build for it. That doesnt mean they are dps spec, they are pure melee heal spec, and the requirements to heal in that spec are to use dps stats.

Shaman has no pure lifetap healing build, fodg does not scale from offensive stats, you can lifetap heal a little, but not enough to allow you to take up a heal slot in a 6v6.

Yeah but how do you know it's not effective? did you test it? with high % m.crit, and no healing reduction tactics I believe I can heal fairly well, you will get loads of hp from my dot, + normal heals. I'll do an SC and show you numbers I'll test it, no fodg needed only solo heals, perfect for ranked.

Plus in this way, my mechanic is going to work, lifetap dot will be stronger overall all dots + heals, let's see, I will test it, i'll show you.

Of course I did, but I already knew it would not function well compared to their meta specs no matter how refined my build was.
Doesnt matter how you spin it. Too much stat split across non compatible builds. Magic crit is barely going to make a difference, and you're trading in heal crit, which is much more effecient than magic crit at healing. Those lifetap DoTs heal the more damage you do, but you are in a hybrid spec where you are not full damage or healing, so your actual lifetaps suck and so does your healing. You will also need AP to keep outhealing heavy sustained pressure like you would see in ranked, and you get AP from resto burst and gear by directly critically healing, yes you have the AP drain but that can be disrupted (especially as a shaman with low INT) and requires gcd every 10 seconds.

It will get dumpstered in ranked, just giving you the hard facts so you dont waste any more time.

This is always the first mistake people make when they play AM/Shaman, they go on a speel about how its all about managing the mechanic well and how its all about skill and "most AM/sham dont use the mechanic well" blah blah. Then they do a city instance and they proceed to walk around with clown shoes for the entire instance... All BS. The stat split dont compliment each other, yes it helps with utilizing the mechanic better, but then you are gimping yourself by not running pure heal or pure dps tactics/gear, and because of that stat split you will be cutting corners on defensive stats also.
You will never surpass the healing of a dedicated willpower AM/shaman, and you will never touch the dps of a full dps spec AM/shaman either.