do we have a balance problem?

[teiloh]

you are talking to the guy arguing about BW/sorc balance and he didnt even played sorc since live...so good luck

lol, the damage formulae did not change much at all, and I have access to several people who have both classes.

[Cobra81]

13:2 win for destro in cities, still destro players good, order players bad issue I think

So this 30:70 and 42:58 constant faction ratio means "30 or 42% bad players and 70 or 58% top pros online". There is NO OTHER reason, NO ONE....if you don´t agree its heresy and conspiracy....!!

[Jinxypie]

13:2 win for destro in cities, still destro players good, order players bad issue I think

Less time on forum more practicing ingame

[Sundowner]

13:2 win for destro in cities, still destro players good, order players bad issue I think

Less time on forum more practicing ingame

and play more slayer/kobs/wp to win? thanks mate appreciated

[Dabbart]

I love 2020 join dates whom think they have this game mastered... Pity I can't take you as an apprentice on my job site. That'd cure your know-it-all-itus in a hurry...

[PlagueMonk]

Destro classes are by far less powerfull, thats the problem for order, because the better players just choose the realm with weaker classes so the game is a little bit more challenging.

Thats why:

a) Destro players are better players (and better humans)
b) Destro has a small plus at population through the last few weeks

absolutley nothing to do with patches or classes

How the hell can you say something like that with a straight face? It's complete crap especially considering all the xrealming. Those "better" players are also playing order, completely derailing your comment.

And to say Dest are far less powerful is a complete load of crapola. I have spoken to Xrealmers who play both mirror classes and most will tell you the Dest counterpart is a better class. period.

Black Orc > Swordmaster
Chosen > KotBS
Black Guard > Ironbreaker
WitchElf > Witch Hunter
Marauder < White Lion
Choppa = Slayer
Bright Wizard = Sorc
Magus > Engineer
SquigHerder => ShadowWarrior (the mSH is broken OPed atm)
Dok > WarriorPriest
Zealot > Runepriest
Shaman = Archmage (even though the Shammy is the master of utility/escape)

That's pretty lopsided in Dest favor.

It's also common knowledge that the Dest classes synergize MUCH better than the Order classes with gives them even more of an advantage.

[Cobra81]

Destro classes are by far less powerfull, thats the problem for order, because the better players just choose the realm with weaker classes so the game is a little bit more challenging.

Thats why:

a) Destro players are better players (and better humans)
b) Destro has a small plus at population through the last few weeks

absolutley nothing to do with patches or classes

How the hell can you say something like that with a straight face? It's complete crap especially considering all the xrealming. Those "better" players are also playing order, completely derailing your comment.

And to say Dest are far less powerful is a complete load of crapola. I have spoken to Xrealmers who play both mirror classes and most will tell you the Dest counterpart is a better class. period.

Black Orc > Swordmaster
Chosen > KotBS
Black Guard > Ironbreaker
WitchElf > Witch Hunter
Marauder < White Lion
Choppa = Slayer
Bright Wizard = Sorc
Magus > Engineer
SquigHerder => ShadowWarrior (the mSH is broken OPed atm)
Dok > WarriorPriest
Zealot > Runepriest
Shaman = Archmage (even though the Shammy is the master of utility/escape)

That's pretty lopsided in Dest favor.

It's also common knowledge that the Dest classes synergize MUCH better than the Order classes with gives them even more of an advantage.

Thats pretty accurate, but i would change 2 things:
- Marauder > White Lion, Reason: Marauder has more CC-Utility and is less squishy and WL has also to fight against a buggy pet.
- Choppa slight > Slayer, Reason: Slayer Rampage can bei dispelled, knocked back, knocked down....in short "There is a way araound it". GTDC deals dmg + you have 0 def. while airborne and, thx to melee-destro ball+ae dmg, it results in a death when landing in front of him. What is the way around not getting pulled? pure luck to deflect it?

[TreefAM]

I see the big brains are rolling out

[Elemint]

I wish devs would change choppa pull to actually work as you people think it does. Would love to see you react to actually having no defenses

[Kpi]

Destro don't win fortress... Fortress rules changed

Order don't win cities. Cities rules don't changed.

Easy