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Sinisterror
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#101 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:48 am

Neverever wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:39 am
NSKaneda wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:08 am
teiloh wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:04 am

1. To Victory is a setback aura, it's not an interrupt aura.

2. You can break LOS with Bright Wizards and Shadow Warriors and Engineers as well. Why is a 2s cast Squig Herder attack easier to dodge than a 3s cast Fireball or Snipe?

3. TLS heals the Squig Herder and not the pet. But yeah by heel I mean having the pet come back to you.

1. And how does setback work? :D

2. Easier? No. As easy as? Yes. You can see the animation, you know what's coming.

3. You know of course that you have to manually call your squig back, right?
Dude you can't explain anything to a person who has access to a rr70+ SH and the only way he thought he could prove that SH is OP is to send his pet to attack people in a SC. It is obvious he doesn't have a clue how that class works and he fails on playing one. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so hard to record a regular game play of the class and show us how OP it is.. He can't do that obviously. He just doesn't like getting killed by SHs. Probably that's why he lvled up a SH anyway to have those goodies but ofc the grass is actually not that greener when you get to the otherside. As he clearly stated by him before he thinks SH shouldn't be a threat like other dps classes. Poeple shouldn't waste interrupt skills on such a subordinated class while there are real dps classes out there to use them against... He is just blinded by his own SH crusade as you justly noted above. So let him whine in his little illusionary world.
How out of your mind can you be ? RoR is doomed because people like this and dev's changing the game because idiots like this cannot shut up. " only way he thought he could prove that SH is OP is to send his pet to attack people in a SC. It is obvious he doesn't have a clue how that class works and he fails on playing one. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so hard to record a regular game play of the class and show us how OP it is.. He can't do that obviously. He just doesn't like getting killed by SHs. Probably that's why he lvled up a SH anyway "
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Neverever
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#102 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:57 am

Sinisterror wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:48 am
Neverever wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:39 am
NSKaneda wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:08 am


1. And how does setback work? :D

2. Easier? No. As easy as? Yes. You can see the animation, you know what's coming.

3. You know of course that you have to manually call your squig back, right?
Dude you can't explain anything to a person who has access to a rr70+ SH and the only way he thought he could prove that SH is OP is to send his pet to attack people in a SC. It is obvious he doesn't have a clue how that class works and he fails on playing one. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so hard to record a regular game play of the class and show us how OP it is.. He can't do that obviously. He just doesn't like getting killed by SHs. Probably that's why he lvled up a SH anyway to have those goodies but ofc the grass is actually not that greener when you get to the otherside. As he clearly stated by him before he thinks SH shouldn't be a threat like other dps classes. Poeple shouldn't waste interrupt skills on such a subordinated class while there are real dps classes out there to use them against... He is just blinded by his own SH crusade as you justly noted above. So let him whine in his little illusionary world.
How out of your mind can you be ? RoR is doomed because people like this and dev's changing the game because idiots like this cannot shut up. " only way he thought he could prove that SH is OP is to send his pet to attack people in a SC. It is obvious he doesn't have a clue how that class works and he fails on playing one. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so hard to record a regular game play of the class and show us how OP it is.. He can't do that obviously. He just doesn't like getting killed by SHs. Probably that's why he lvled up a SH anyway "
How mature of you to get into insults when you don't like what you read lol. The post just proves your own infancy and STUPIDITY my 5 year old high-tampered friend. GL since being you must be really hard. You have been reported and ignored.

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teiloh
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#103 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:04 am

Sinisterror wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:48 am
How out of your mind can you be ? RoR is doomed because people like this and dev's changing the game because idiots like this cannot shut up. " only way he thought he could prove that SH is OP is to send his pet to attack people in a SC. It is obvious he doesn't have a clue how that class works and he fails on playing one. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so hard to record a regular game play of the class and show us how OP it is.. He can't do that obviously. He just doesn't like getting killed by SHs. Probably that's why he lvled up a SH anyway "
That wasn't the point.
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Neverever
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#104 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:13 am

teiloh wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:04 am
Sinisterror wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 8:48 am
How out of your mind can you be ? RoR is doomed because people like this and dev's changing the game because idiots like this cannot shut up. " only way he thought he could prove that SH is OP is to send his pet to attack people in a SC. It is obvious he doesn't have a clue how that class works and he fails on playing one. Otherwise, it wouldn't be so hard to record a regular game play of the class and show us how OP it is.. He can't do that obviously. He just doesn't like getting killed by SHs. Probably that's why he lvled up a SH anyway "
A general lack of reading comprehension probably suggests other deficiencies that would hamper very basic understanding of game concepts.
A general lack of intellectual and mental capacity to create well supported arguments with real proof and data suggest a lot of whining and false beliefs of having game knowledge... Your converted approval of his attitude just shows you are no better than the person you just have quoted. Thanks for revealing your true material as well. Maybe I should get into his level and come with insults addressed to you on next post to have a decent conversation?
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teiloh
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#105 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:15 am

Neverever wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:13 am A general lack of intellectual and mental capacity to create well supported arguments with real proof and data suggest a lot of whining and false beliefs of having game knowledge... Your converted approval of his attitude just shows you are no better than the person you just have quoted. Thanks for revealing your true material.
Did you also not read point number three?

I guess I need to clarify.
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agemennon675
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#106 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:22 am

NSKaneda wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:50 am
DoomedDragon wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:47 pm
NSKaneda wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 3:00 pm
Spoiler:
Buffed 80ft =/= base 100ft. Sure, aoe is melee on Herders right now and they traded range for burst and additional utility. I'd be happy to get old utility range back giving up rKD ;)

But it's not about 1:1 mirroring just as it's not about solo roaming. You've nerfed range and survivability of rSHs, maybe quit while you're ahead?
The aoe rSW used to have 99ft, with a tactic. Instead we got some armor penetration tactic during the rework, putting the aoe build permanently in 65ft range.
So we all got nerfed with the range, at least you can get it up to 80ft?

rSHs aoe is nerfed to melee range in mSH tree (and I'm ok with it). Only ST can get up to 80ft but rSWs ST is 100 (and that's ok too).

SH has the same spec called Path of Big Shootin' has 100ft range, I see some players try to use it but not many maybe its because Path of Quick Shootin' performs good enough, who knows
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Andack
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#107 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:29 am

Read the 105 post...

The autor is just on a crusade... He cant deal with the fact that rSH was not a class who matters on RvR before the change and now he need to count it as a threat.

Sometimes he jump from rSH to mSH with no reason, just complaining "TOO STRONG"...

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Charon
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#108 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:35 am

NSKaneda wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:08 am
teiloh wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:04 am
NSKaneda wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 4:00 am
Spoiler:
1. To Victory! Aura. Try it sometimes.
Challenge lowers dmg and helps you use other tools while giving your heals time to react.
1. To Victory is a setback aura, it's not an interrupt aura.
1. And how does setback work? :D
1. realy its that low ??? by using constantly this kind of arguments you do not help yourself
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#109 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:51 am

agemennon675 wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:22 am
NSKaneda wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 3:50 am
DoomedDragon wrote: Fri Jan 08, 2021 6:47 pm

The aoe rSW used to have 99ft, with a tactic. Instead we got some armor penetration tactic during the rework, putting the aoe build permanently in 65ft range.
So we all got nerfed with the range, at least you can get it up to 80ft?

rSHs aoe is nerfed to melee range in mSH tree (and I'm ok with it). Only ST can get up to 80ft but rSWs ST is 100 (and that's ok too).

SH has the same spec called Path of Big Shootin' has 100ft range, I see some players try to use it but not many maybe its because Path of Quick Shootin' performs good enough, who knows
Most people complaining are talking about Quick Shootin', not Big Shootin', that is why. It's true that Big Shootin' has range, but it is very limited on what it can have as far as tactics go. You need the stat tactics, the reduced cast tactic, the tactic that makes poison arrer actually worth using, or the armor pen tactic to make plink worth using. This leaves little/no room for any survival tactics. It's pretty much on par with the same SW spec. SW does more damage through cooldown usage and SH does less nuke damage but has the pet.

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teiloh
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Re: I'm going to be blunt - Squig Herder is absolutely broken.

Post#110 » Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:53 am

XsorrowerX wrote: Sat Jan 09, 2021 9:51 am Most people complaining are talking about Quick Shootin', not Big Shootin', that is why. It's true that Big Shootin' has range, but it is very limited on what it can have as far as tactics go. You need the stat tactics, the reduced cast tactic, the tactic that makes poison arrer actually worth using, or the armor pen tactic to make plink worth using. This leaves little/no room for any survival tactics. It's pretty much on par with the same SW spec. SW does more damage through cooldown usage and SH does less nuke damage but has the pet.
Vs the Scout SW, the SH has quite a lot more mobility, escape tools and CC as well.

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