Squig Herder is a bit overtuned.

[XsorrowerX]

I personally do not see any other way to resolve this dispute, this is how everyone can start a CH right now and personally see for themselves on their own experience. And the more squigs there are, the more accurate the analyzes of the subject will be. I already have 13 levels and I am consistently in 1st place in damage (sometimes twice as much!) and kills. And yes, now squig is a threat that nothing threatens. strafe strafe shoot shoot. Sheer pleasure.

I topped damage on a wrath WP, that doesn't make it super powerful. I also top damage on my magus quite easily and I've done it on SW too. Ranged classes in general can top damage easily in standoffs, because they have range.

[Whyumadbro]

unpopular opinion: i think sh is in a good position and i main order only, the fact that the dmg output and to utlitly is high makes it challenging to play against, wich is fun.

I think the problem is that destro got order only abilitys and order got nerfs :/ give the withe lion or the wh something to deal against those

[Charon]

I totally agree SH has just to much suff. He is to mobile, has to much cc for the dmg he do now.

Sorc / BW need to go squih and make dmg at them self when they want to do much dmg.
Engi / Magus are very static when they want to do much dmg

make that the SH has to pay when he want to do dmg and no the range is not a payment when you have a ton of exit tools cc and tank mode.

i think its the main problem .... of sh and msh. Not exactly dmg ... but amount of escape tools. Its like Zarbix said in one of its streams 'Sh has 9 lifes"

and if you want i can provide streams in which well know destro players talk about sh status and what they realy think about that..you would be suprised.

From rankeds perspective (i know its very specific format ...good for some classes bad for others, and its about msh). Additionally its some quick answer to earlier Sulorie post about msh effectivenes in rs.

- its almost impossible to kill even mediocre msh because it always has chance to disengage or cc whole enemy group (its happening but its rare event at least before healers are alive and you need usually dps am for that, if there is bw you lost already.....mostly).
- killing the pet does not work much. its surprisingly hard to kill even with st targeting and what is more important it does not prevent msh from doing what he realy want maybe only a bit delaying main push.
- msh create constant large pressure on healers or soft dps and waits till morale. Then one rotation on a bit weaker target when enemy tanks are busy and its 50:0 (don't forget also that there is 2 enemy dps). I know, its similar to others dps but in msh example this game play is hard to counter - aoe morale drop and bomb + mobility. Other dps-es have this type of finisher, but its st like sl m3 or chopa m3 and both are much easier to control. And really msh does not need to reset its morale bar just bc needs to defend itself like sl or choppa.
- what i see only valid strategy against msh is to cc it and try to quickly switch to other target (and pray).

From this perspective msh game play might be comparable to sl pressure play - almost the same numbers. Problem is that, slayer is way more squishy and there is also choppa which is doing almost the same. Order does not have anything similar. WL and aSW is much closer to mara type of play and both are way squishier and easy to outplay.

To be fair ..its only my personal biased perspective and i don't claim im good player.... im just salty prick who want triumphant and like to testing things in challenging environment (impressions after some 250 matches played). If any one can help me (maybe im noob) and provide informations how to efectively counter msh in rs i will be gratefull.

[Jinxypie]

Yesterday Kotbs top the dmg chart in sc. Shame on me for not taking a screenshot. Apparently it's that easy to call someone op.

[Charon]

Yesterday Kotbs top the dmg chart in sc. Shame on me for not taking a screenshot. Apparently it's that easy to call someone op.

ohh good god

[Sundowner]

Yesterday Kotbs top the dmg chart in sc. Shame on me for not taking a screenshot. Apparently it's that easy to call someone op.

Please do not make fun of yourself

[Jinxypie]

Yesterday Kotbs top the dmg chart in sc. Shame on me for not taking a screenshot. Apparently it's that easy to call someone op.

Please do not make fun of yourself

I am making fun of the OP. He's very reliable source of popcorn threads

Also from what we have been told for years when WLs globaled everything but tanks. Just kill the pet. So just kill the pet.
Funny how shatter limbs get mirrored and then needs to be nerfed cuz "I can't cast mah spells". Same with pounce. 45ft now. Was fine as order only huh? And now you guys discovered how is it to play against ranged KD. Welcome to earth Order.

[hammerhead]

I personally do not see any other way to resolve this dispute, this is how everyone can start a CH right now and personally see for themselves on their own experience. And the more squigs there are, the more accurate the analyzes of the subject will be. I already have 13 levels and I am consistently in 1st place in damage (sometimes twice as much!) and kills. And yes, now squig is a threat that nothing threatens. strafe strafe shoot shoot. Sheer pleasure.

I topped damage on a wrath WP, that doesn't make it super powerful. I also top damage on my magus quite easily and I've done it on SW too. Ranged classes in general can top damage easily in standoffs, because they have range.

I also sometimes fill good numbers on my order tuns . The key word here is constant and has no threat even for a ordinary one like me. And i read some Destro with the name already wrote that SH is "slightly" overtuned. The rest will continue to defend their desire to be at the top of everything there is, and this is normal. I just think a good job has been done and everyone needs to enjoy the results.

[hammerhead]

Yesterday Kotbs top the dmg chart in sc. Shame on me for not taking a screenshot. Apparently it's that easy to call someone op.

Please do not make fun of yourself

I am making fun of the OP. He's very reliable source of popcorn threads

Also from what we have been told for years when WLs globaled everything but tanks. Just kill the pet. So just kill the pet.
Funny how shatter limbs get mirrored and then needs to be nerfed cuz "I can't cast mah spells". Same with pounce. 45ft now. Was fine as order only huh? And now you guys discovered how is it to play against ranged KD. Welcome to earth Order.

Yes, this is a great time when the GTDC was sucking into the meat grinder, tearing the guards and putting the LOS when pushing. Or when Zealot threw a whole warband off the second floor of the fort. Or when the order had to be danced around the blob so as not to get moraled in the first 15 seconds. Wonderful time. Has something changed in politics? Or was someone scared by a close 50/50 statistic? On what land should the order be nerfed, to bottom of hell or what?

The secret is that all these statistics are not taken into account because the cornerstone of the entire design is 6v6. As it was and remained. WL was good at small scale and stayed, but playing oRVR is now much more difficult for them. No, even two orders of magnitude more difficult. Personally, I gave up playing until 60. There is no point in torturing yourself if there is a squig nearby for pure pleasure.

[Sundowner]

Yesterday Kotbs top the dmg chart in sc. Shame on me for not taking a screenshot. Apparently it's that easy to call someone op.

Please do not make fun of yourself

I am making fun of the OP. He's very reliable source of popcorn threads

Also from what we have been told for years when WLs globaled everything but tanks. Just kill the pet. So just kill the pet.
Funny how shatter limbs get mirrored and then needs to be nerfed cuz "I can't cast mah spells". Same with pounce. 45ft now. Was fine as order only huh? And now you guys discovered how is it to play against ranged KD. Welcome to earth Order.

Sorry but what are you talking about?

You have accumulated all advanteges order had in the past years and sitting on a salt mine? shatter limbs is mirrored for a longs time, pounce is mirrored for a long time. Problem is not rSH having range kd, problem is his damage+survivability that's make it overtuned, and also mirroring order only abilities too has a long time of history.

Do you want a list of all destro abilities order doesn't have? Or you need help remembering that WL, uhm, got nerfed

Come down from your salt mine dude, stop makign fun of yourself.