[SW] Ranged knock down has to go

[vindicuss]

yeah dude, i mean, order had that rKD since always and as soon as destru got it they all came to da forum to complain and whine about it lmao, took some of their own medicine.

that SW KD has to get nerfed, it's only fair

[Likeaboss]

That's more or less how balance seems to go on here. Whether its WL, KotB, etc. Destro gets unique abilities or they get mirrors of order and order gets..... nothing.

Nothing? that not 100% true

-WL has 50% armor pen tactic on 2 skills.. that is awesome man, Marauder has it only for 13 skills...
-Kotbs got detaunt dispell, finally... The highest dps tank ingame got an usefull tactic...

You see my man, Order get back pretty good stuff in return of mirroring all their unique abilitys to destro

EDIT:

yeah dude, i mean, order had that rKD since always and as soon as destru got it they all came to da forum to complain and whine about it lmao, took some of their own medicine.

that SW KD has to get nerfed, it's only fair

Yeaaahhh you know, we got a sitation here...

It's not because SH has got RKD mirrored... its about SW dindt get an unqiue SH ability in return...

No RUN AWAY
No Speedbuff
No AoE Kick
No 75% charge for 10 s... (well SW got Shadowstep for that, kinda fair)
No Pet...

Could go on, but i guess you won't get the point anyway

[Sundowner]

That's more or less how balance seems to go on here. Whether its WL, KotB, etc. Destro gets unique abilities or they get mirrors of order and order gets..... nothing.

Nothing? that not 100% true

-WL has 50% armor pen tactic on 2 skills.. that is awesome man, Marauder has it only for 13 skills...
-Kotbs got detaunt dispell, finally... The highest dps tank ingame got an usefull tactic...

You see my man, Order get back pretty good stuff in return of mirroring all their unique abilitys to destro

That detaunt tactic is really hilarious tho, on order kotbs has it, tank with lowest dmg in the whole game, on destro BG with good st damage, spammable outgoing HD and other tools to fight effectively against casters and healers. Having this skill on BG is very coherent it goes both with class identity (i.e. what he is supposed to do according to initial design) and how is synergizes with BGs other skills. On kotbs it is just thrown without any consideration of what effect it will have. Don't get me wrong I know this tactic is very niche, but on BG it can be used, while on kotbs it makes no sense.

[Likeaboss]

Spoiler:

That's more or less how balance seems to go on here. Whether its WL, KotB, etc. Destro gets unique abilities or they get mirrors of order and order gets..... nothing.

Nothing? that not 100% true

-WL has 50% armor pen tactic on 2 skills.. that is awesome man, Marauder has it only for 13 skills...
-Kotbs got detaunt dispell, finally... The highest dps tank ingame got an usefull tactic...

You see my man, Order get back pretty good stuff in return of mirroring all their unique abilitys to destro

That detaunt tactic is really hilarious tho, on order kotbs has it, tank with lowest dmg in the whole game, on destro BG with good st damage, spammable outgoing HD and other tools to fight effectively against casters and healers. Having this skill on BG is very coherent it goes both with class identity (i.e. what he is supposed to do according to initial design) and how is synergizes with BGs other skills. On kotbs it is just thrown without any consideration of what effect it will have. Don't get me wrong I know this tactic is very niche, but on BG it can be used, while on kotbs it makes no sense.

Read my post again my man... the sarcasm should be obvious

[Sundowner]

Spoiler:

Nothing? that not 100% true

-WL has 50% armor pen tactic on 2 skills.. that is awesome man, Marauder has it only for 13 skills...
-Kotbs got detaunt dispell, finally... The highest dps tank ingame got an usefull tactic...

You see my man, Order get back pretty good stuff in return of mirroring all their unique abilitys to destro

That detaunt tactic is really hilarious tho, on order kotbs has it, tank with lowest dmg in the whole game, on destro BG with good st damage, spammable outgoing HD and other tools to fight effectively against casters and healers. Having this skill on BG is very coherent it goes both with class identity (i.e. what he is supposed to do according to initial design) and how is synergizes with BGs other skills. On kotbs it is just thrown without any consideration of what effect it will have. Don't get me wrong I know this tactic is very niche, but on BG it can be used, while on kotbs it makes no sense.

Read my post again my man... the sarcasm should be obvious

Did not write my post in opposition to your post tho, just highlighting how recent changes more or less do not make sense

[emiliorv]

Seriously, you have destroyed all solo roaming for Destruction with that I WIN ability.

There are SWs roaming and playing everywhere and the first hit is always the knock down. When you recover from it you are already half dead. And that on a ranged dps class with tons dots and escape abilities...

That knock down either needs a pre-condition, reduce kd time or the ranged reduced or removed. It is waaaay to powerful on that SW class.

Btw, this skill is ingame since.. 2008?2009? and 12 years later you come up with "you destroyed solo roam with this ability...

You mean like RUN AWAY! tactic?? but somehow got nerfed...so the argument "its like this since live" is totally BS and irrelevant.

[detrap]

That's more or less how balance seems to go on here. Whether its WL, KotB, etc. Destro gets unique abilities or they get mirrors of order and order gets..... nothing.

Nothing? that not 100% true

-WL has 50% armor pen tactic on 2 skills.. that is awesome man, Marauder has it only for 13 skills...
-Kotbs got detaunt dispell, finally... The highest dps tank ingame got an usefull tactic...

You see my man, Order get back pretty good stuff in return of mirroring all their unique abilitys to destro

That detaunt tactic is really hilarious tho, on order kotbs has it, tank with lowest dmg in the whole game, on destro BG with good st damage, spammable outgoing HD and other tools to fight effectively against casters and healers. Having this skill on BG is very coherent it goes both with class identity (i.e. what he is supposed to do according to initial design) and how is synergizes with BGs other skills. On kotbs it is just thrown without any consideration of what effect it will have. Don't get me wrong I know this tactic is very niche, but on BG it can be used, while on kotbs it makes no sense.

Why are you even comparing the BG to the knight? The entire warband/realm does more damage with a knight around compared to a BG.

[Caduceus]

1) All RKDs are stupid (in my opinion).

How else are you going to catch kiters?

RKDs are not OP, they are a crucial.

[Arthem]

SW only range class that can aoe detaunt. Omegalul. Seriously guys this class needs to be fixed asp

[Sundowner]

Nothing? that not 100% true

-WL has 50% armor pen tactic on 2 skills.. that is awesome man, Marauder has it only for 13 skills...
-Kotbs got detaunt dispell, finally... The highest dps tank ingame got an usefull tactic...

You see my man, Order get back pretty good stuff in return of mirroring all their unique abilitys to destro

That detaunt tactic is really hilarious tho, on order kotbs has it, tank with lowest dmg in the whole game, on destro BG with good st damage, spammable outgoing HD and other tools to fight effectively against casters and healers. Having this skill on BG is very coherent it goes both with class identity (i.e. what he is supposed to do according to initial design) and how is synergizes with BGs other skills. On kotbs it is just thrown without any consideration of what effect it will have. Don't get me wrong I know this tactic is very niche, but on BG it can be used, while on kotbs it makes no sense.

Why are you even comparing the BG to the knight? The entire warband/realm does more damage with a knight around compared to a BG.

I am comparing tactic implementation, not knight and bg. Because BG can use this tactic, which synergizes well with good dmg and debuffs, while knight has no use of this tactic, because low st dmg it can't use it effectively. Hence, adding this tactic to the knight was meh.