Don't want new players?

[wargrimnir]

So something some of you folks are forgetting is we don't really need a lot of new players. This isn't a for profit game. As a matter of fact too many players creates extra problems and expenses. We just need enough to maintain some semblance of a healthy population which so far is true.

Having a bit of a crucible they go through isn't actually harmful for the server. The ones that stay really want to be here and I'd rather have that in this community than tourists.

You get new players through word of mouth and positive experiences. Having to fail for 3 months so older players can feel good about themselves is the exact opposite of that. Real pvpers want good competition to prove themselves against, not annihilating a bunch of nubs so they can post their DK kills on their fridge. Real pvpers like competition, they like a variety of situations they and their group have to adjust to. Real pvpers like finding new metas, new ways of using classes/skills in new ways the other side wasn't expecting. You get new ideas and new possibilities by bringing in new players.

You preferring a small community of diehards in what is supposed to be a massive multiplayer game is cute. Maybe you are a dev, maybe you are a RC, or maybe you are just like me and a player. Whichever doesn't matter, history already showed us what happened to the game when the experience was miserable. 64 servers to 16 to 4 to 2 to 1 to dead. And you want to take the remnants of the dead 1 and have the game based off that. Not exactly the best business model. I doubt the devs are doing their hard work and effort to appease 12 hardcore dudes and would prefer their game to become popular. Or not. I won't put goals in their mouths, they do what they do cause they enjoy it.

This isn't a business model. We're doing just fine.

[Sulorie]

Thanks. I call it acknowledging reality.

This thread is no discussion or request for help, it's only about appreciating others who say the same.

The game should be more welcoming for new players and not be made easy, well, this is going to happen, as it isn't difficult.
Usually new players ask for help, people are very helpful in this community and don't gather voices in order to change something, which isn't broken to begin with.
The progression path is already very smooth.

I admit, a lot new players apparently don't know where to buy basic items and despite having an advice channel, they don't dare to ask. Or they don't know, that there is an advice channel.

It's like many have no impulse to ask, in the case they struggle with something.
Having some guide would provide help but to be honest, how many people read those? People are regularly shocked that there was a patch.

[Kesslik]

Are you? I'd be interested to see the new accounts created to new accounts still playing a month later for the last 6 months. Then position that against the accounts that were active 6 months ago and aren't now. It would solidify just how accurate your "retort" is and show us that the OP is misinformed on their experience compared to other players.

[GamesBond]

Are you? I'd be interested to see the new accounts created to new accounts still playing a month later for the last 6 months. Then position that against the accounts that were active 6 months ago and aren't now. It would solidify just how accurate your "retort" is and show us that the OP is misinformed on their experience compared to other players.

You can take notes of every night's number of players if you're so desperate to be a negative person. Other than that no one needs your verification of data, you can still see 1.4k players in the weekend, just like at the end of last year. Did the numbers drop after LazyPeon? Of course they did - expected by everyone with a glimpse of how MMO hypes work.

[Kesslik]

For feedback, suggestions, or cooperation, don't post on the forums. Got it.

Nothing I said was negative, unless you are already looking to be insulted. I post a real experience friends have had, and that we could do better as a community to make player experiences better, and you find that as negative. Suggesting we could find new ways to help new players is a negative? Seriously? Well, to be positive, I guess I need to start flame wars? A negative and a negative making a positive and all that? No thanks, I got no desire to be pissy with you, Wargrimnir, or anyone else.

That I ask for verification to data I don't have that is easily pulled up through a db inquiry, especially by people talented enough to reverse engineer a triple a game angers you, especially when it would validate your point? You are right, no-one needs *my* verification of data. I don't know about any lazy-peon bump or what numbers were like a year, or 6 months ago. This is why I am asking, so I can adjust what I think I know to what is correct.

You are a communications person for the ror team? And yet your first response to me is to attack me instead of some polite version of "we cool, we doing what we do"? Eh whatever. In respect to Shock G, dowhatchalike. I got no interest in battling mods, its a one sided fight where you have all the power. I'll just be quiet and do what I do.

[marafado]

i dont think its easy to keep new players, most come and go! and the few that stay usualy have strong ideias how the old war should be adapted (ror 2021)to please they dota/lol/wow/etc.. experience.

Probably that is the question!? should this game emulate war-aor, or should evolve to a "wrath of heroes" play style!?

You come here choose an "hero", make some fights in 1 faction, choose another hero in other faction make more fights with "friends", and all good no balance, no grind, no lvl...can be a way to make the new players interested in this old game!?

*wow is hard to understant, since they re-make the vanilla experience many ppl liked and now tbc is about to pop, old style vs new can be dificult to get it

[GamesBond]

Spoiler:

For feedback, suggestions, or cooperation, don't post on the forums. Got it.

Nothing I said was negative, unless you are already looking to be insulted. I post a real experience friends have had, and that we could do better as a community to make player experiences better, and you find that as negative. Suggesting we could find new ways to help new players is a negative? Seriously? Well, to be positive, I guess I need to start flame wars? A negative and a negative making a positive and all that? No thanks, I got no desire to be pissy with you, Wargrimnir, or anyone else.

That I ask for verification to data I don't have that is easily pulled up through a db inquiry, especially by people talented enough to reverse engineer a triple a game angers you, especially when it would validate your point? You are right, no-one needs *my* verification of data. I don't know about any lazy-peon bump or what numbers were like a year, or 6 months ago. This is why I am asking, so I can adjust what I think I know to what is correct.

You are a communications person for the ror team? And yet your first response to me is to attack me instead of some polite version of "we cool, we doing what we do"? Eh whatever. In respect to Shock G, dowhatchalike. I got no interest in battling mods, its a one sided fight where you have all the power. I'll just be quiet and do what I do.

Don't act as the victim, we all know what you meant with "Are you?" and excuse me if I missed it, but what were the suggestions or feedback that you weren't allowed to post? Or did you consider your previous replies as suggestions/feedback?

You questioning and asking someone to do something for you is respectful but if I ask you to do it yourself and monitor the daily activity it's disrespectful right? Indeed, don't bother arguing cause it's nonsense. I dislike these conversations but I always appreciate feedback. There's a thin line between ranting and giving feedback, I take loads of feedback and I wish you could imagine how often I push them to the team and how hard I follow up on requests - but you can't imagine cause you're just angry. I understand.

Sorry if you also found anything hostile in what I just said.

[Kesslik]

I didn't. And even if I did, I wouldn't care enough to make a big deal about. I alreat declared my surrender, that you win. Yet here we are, you not finding that enough. Not really sure what more you want here.

Are you was in response to the game doing just fine, which I have no past data on, and despite my attempts at time travel, still fail miserably at, so impossibe for me to make an informed opinion.

You asking me to do something I can't do, would be time consuming and a long length process to do for the future, and that really you don't care the answer for in the first place ... compared to an easy database query. Yes, 5 minutes versus hours and hours of research that would still be wildly inaccurate an anecdotal. Sure why not.

[elchooki]

it would be better to avoid echo wars and continue to converse on the subject.

[Toshutkidup]

Will give my .02 worthless cents after reading 5 pages.

Server population IMO is fine, has it dropped in the past 6 years? Sure but overall prime time I would say maybe 5-10% in that period. I don’t count Peons YT video and massive influx as “players” as we all knew that most wouldn’t stay as it was just a let’s check it out stuff.

In regards to new players, we have several new players who are streamers. As most know I stream RoR almost 30-35hrs a week, so I know most of the streamers. I asked this person what his/her input was a week into the game and then 30 days into it. So far this person who is 100% new has a overall positive perspective with game / content.

Also as many know I’m a solo player. I’ve solo’d my main for 5 years on this server. This game is not solo focused or balanced for solo players, however that doesn’t mean you can’t solo abs be productive.

I disagree with a lot the dev team does, and I’ve made my points vocal on streams about them. But what game is perfect? If you found that perfect game why are you playing RoR?? No MMORPG game besides DAoC provides me with a open world campaign pvp experience with a “holy trinity” system that I love. So for me until a game meets those needs I can see myself playing and streaming this game for 6 more years. Yes I will rage, complain, moan and whine the entire time, but it’s WAR.