Black Orcs 2 weeks after "N" day

[Duukar]

This is a really long post just to once again say “Order OP, plz nerf rampage.”

Destro is a broken record.

You read what you wanted to read, not what I wrote.

Therefore it it YOU that has the broken record running in your head.

[detrap]

Duukar is speaking right from my soul ...and he's really not asking for any big changes.
I think his interest in keeping this character "in the game" is quite clear from his arguments. Why is he being ridiculed in this attempt?
Don't we all want a well-rounded portfolio of competitive characters in this game? A clear grievance is pointed out here, in detail and with down-to-earth suggestions and comprehensible, constructive criticism.

Shame on you who can only make your own point of view. Without your "opposing side" you would only be raiding public quests ...

I've made a long list of reasons to have a BO in party for Duukar to read, Duukar made a few valid points but the rest seem too demanding.

I would like to see the tactic that gives you two tiny punts not give immunities and be more useful interrupts.

Requests to have a single target big punt? 40% AoE snare? Why even bring more than one Blackguard to the warband then? It's sad seeing premade warbands on destro constantly being 5 Black Orcs, 2 Chosens and 1 Blackguard pre patch.

BO is fine for ranked, considering close fights come down to who has the better morale drop, which BO beats every other tank in that regard. Even a Snb BO in ranked is more useful than oher Snb tanks because of it.

If the warband really misses CDR atm, bring a Choppa. If you really miss CDR, make a post for BO and Choppa mains discussing why it would better to remove CDR from them and give it to BO, and what you would replace Chop Fasta with, and don't say rampage unless order get morale pump tactics and block channels on two tanks to compensate.

lmao you're delusional, destro just got a huge nerf and order is pushing for empty zones, but you want more buffs for yourself for anything given to destro that would compensate the changes. Morale generation was equalized between the factions, which was a tactical advantage destro had, but order still has absurdly higher damage, yet you want more morale gen ? You don't even think about your demands, you just want **** for yourself. How you can demand block channels in exchange for rampage is beyond me, when rampage negates tanks.
The fact is, BO offers nothing particularly special, all they have is their morale pump, but what does that matter when order has the damage and engagements in city vs slayer/wl require 0 outplay on order because they can just mindlessly spam aoe in the frontline and kill everything before we even get our morale.
Guess the game isn't PVE enough for you.

Not delusional or emotional. The recent balance changes have nothing to do with population imbalances since order have been in IC almost daily before the patch. People logging over to push empty zones to farm bags and logging back onto their mains is not necessarily related to one particular class getting an ability changed, considering once again, the zerging was occurring pre patch.

How was morale pump equalized between all the tanks? Both BO and Chosen can still reach M2/M3 faster than any order tank. Pre patch it wasn't a tactical advantage of having 5 BO's dropping M3/M4 every minute, it was an overpowered advantage. But it's still fair that they can still gain morale faster because they have to deal with more undefendable damage.

All I said was if Choppas got rampage then order tanks should be compensated with block channels to help defend against damage outside of rampage, exactly what the abilities are useful for on the two destro tanks.

Its not up to the devs to necessarily time their patch releases to counter population issues. The fix for SM's was a long awaited one for the least played tank in the game. Destro had an abundance for CDR with minimal difficulty using it and was obviously over performing. I would be upset to if I based my entire play style around pressing CDR every 20 seconds. Because now I have to go searching for other abilities to help contribute to the warband, which the BO still has plenty of. It's still the easiest tank class in the game to play Snb in warbands and that's probably part of the problem now since you're not basing your primary rotation around CDR's.

I was hoping that originally BO's would keep their CDR but make it ST to work like SM's who have had to struggle with it for a while.

[starness88]

I would be upset to if I based my entire play style around pressing CDR every 20 seconds. Because now I have to go searching for other abilities to help contribute to the warband, which the BO still has plenty of. It's still the easiest tank class in the game to play Snb in warbands and that's probably part of the problem now since you're not basing your primary rotation around CDR's.

Here is the problem dude, there is no other ability. We don't have new build, new thing or whatever. We are the same as before with less. We are more no brain than we were, ATM our gp is just spam big swing and waaagh (cause it have 5 sec cd without the old tactic) to add litlle damage in fight. Wow big gameplay ! Your only arguement is that we have a block channeling ability, so as i already tell you in other post. This bring nothing to your group, lead don't build warband around this.

Black ork is litteraly the trash tier tank of the game. He's not very good in ranked (no single target punt and choosen has a better moral generation), he's ok in wb but not mandatory, not very good in little group (no single target punt and choosen has a better moral generation) so what ? We play the game as it is and don't ask anything while order can ask any destro nerf ? Oh i forgot ! We are very good in pve and dungeon noice !

I don't understand why you work so hard against black ork in all your recent post. In this one, people are giving their feedback after the nerf and i don't see your.

[Duukar]

I would be upset to if I based my entire play style around pressing CDR every 20 seconds. Because now I have to go searching for other abilities to help contribute to the warband, which the BO still has plenty of. It's still the easiest tank class in the game to play Snb in warbands and that's probably part of the problem now since you're not basing your primary rotation around CDR's.

Here is the problem dude, there is no other ability. We don't have new build, new thing or whatever. We are the same as before with less. We are more no brain than we were, ATM our gp is just spam big swing and waaagh (cause it have 5 sec cd without the old tactic) to add litlle damage in fight. Wow big gameplay ! Your only arguement is that we have a block channeling ability, so as i already tell you in other post. This bring nothing to your group, lead don't build warband around this.

Black ork is litteraly the trash tier tank of the game. He's not very good in ranked (no single target punt and choosen has a better moral generation), he's ok in wb but not mandatory, not very good in little group (no single target punt and choosen has a better moral generation) so what ? We play the game as it is and don't ask anything while order can ask any destro nerf ? Oh i forgot ! We are very good in pve and dungeon noice !

I don't understand why you work so hard against black ork in all your recent post. In this one, people are giving their feedback after the nerf and i don't see your.

He’s not being constructive at all.

He wants BO players to be punished for what he feels was an unfair advantage that we enjoyed.

He’s punitive and doesn’t realize that if BO gets a ST useable range punt that SM will get one too.

This is how I explain this guy and his attitude. He wants to see punishment inflicted upon other players. Sad

[ufthakk]

balancing on this server is about the supremacy of slayer. all other nerfs serve that purpose

[BelligerentBob]

I think making We'z Bigger last 5 seconds and remove existing snares while providing immunity to them is the way to go.

edit: Mirror Rampage to one of the Orcs and make guard damage coming from this source defendable!

[detrap]

I would be upset to if I based my entire play style around pressing CDR every 20 seconds. Because now I have to go searching for other abilities to help contribute to the warband, which the BO still has plenty of. It's still the easiest tank class in the game to play Snb in warbands and that's probably part of the problem now since you're not basing your primary rotation around CDR's.

Here is the problem dude, there is no other ability. We don't have new build, new thing or whatever. We are the same as before with less. We are more no brain than we were, ATM our gp is just spam big swing and waaagh (cause it have 5 sec cd without the old tactic) to add litlle damage in fight. Wow big gameplay ! Your only arguement is that we have a block channeling ability, so as i already tell you in other post. This bring nothing to your group, lead don't build warband around this.

Black ork is litteraly the trash tier tank of the game. He's not very good in ranked (no single target punt and choosen has a better moral generation), he's ok in wb but not mandatory, not very good in little group (no single target punt and choosen has a better moral generation) so what ? We play the game as it is and don't ask anything while order can ask any destro nerf ? Oh i forgot ! We are very good in pve and dungeon noice !

I don't understand why you work so hard against black ork in all your recent post. In this one, people are giving their feedback after the nerf and i don't see your.

I've put a long list of what the BO brings to the party/warband in other posts many that other tanks can't bring, but because the class has had an over performing ability for a long time it feels like a big void to fill now that you have to use other abilities to make your contribution instead of just basically block channelling and spamming bubble and AoE abilities, waiting to drop morale, being declared the meta tank in the game because of it. A meta class shouldn't require so little skill to master. Hence it was put on the chopping block.

I've mentioned some ideas for improvement, making the new tactic stackable with auras (but only if it works with IB's as well)
There's opportunity for the mini punt tactic in the tank tree to be changed to something that doesn't give immunities (since destro have a couple of immunity free punts already so to keep the trend) or have that same tactic make Wez Bigger a stronger ability.
This is a great place to start a post and discuss with Choppa mains why they should lose their CDR so the BO can have theirs back.

The fix was long overdue, a nerf to the class but a balance for both sides of the realm. At least warbands will consider taking more than one (sometimes none) Blackguard.

[detrap]

I would be upset to if I based my entire play style around pressing CDR every 20 seconds. Because now I have to go searching for other abilities to help contribute to the warband, which the BO still has plenty of. It's still the easiest tank class in the game to play Snb in warbands and that's probably part of the problem now since you're not basing your primary rotation around CDR's.

Here is the problem dude, there is no other ability. We don't have new build, new thing or whatever. We are the same as before with less. We are more no brain than we were, ATM our gp is just spam big swing and waaagh (cause it have 5 sec cd without the old tactic) to add litlle damage in fight. Wow big gameplay ! Your only arguement is that we have a block channeling ability, so as i already tell you in other post. This bring nothing to your group, lead don't build warband around this.

Black ork is litteraly the trash tier tank of the game. He's not very good in ranked (no single target punt and choosen has a better moral generation), he's ok in wb but not mandatory, not very good in little group (no single target punt and choosen has a better moral generation) so what ? We play the game as it is and don't ask anything while order can ask any destro nerf ? Oh i forgot ! We are very good in pve and dungeon noice !

I don't understand why you work so hard against black ork in all your recent post. In this one, people are giving their feedback after the nerf and i don't see your.

He’s not being constructive at all.

He wants BO players to be punished for what he feels was an unfair advantage that we enjoyed.

He’s punitive and doesn’t realize that if BO gets a ST useable range punt that SM will get one too.

This is how I explain this guy and his attitude. He wants to see punishment inflicted upon other players. Sad

Just giving constructive feedback.

SM already has one in shield spec and it's undefendable, requires block and on a 20 second cooldown. BO's get a tactic that gives you two mini punts on separate abilities, which I think needs attention. Would be half decent if it was attached to abilities with little to no cooldown, offer no immunity or buff Wez Bigger's damage reduction.

If BO's get one then I think IB's should get a grudge based super punt to mirror the Blackguard.

[DokB]

At least warbands will consider taking more than one (sometimes none) Blackguard.

I think this sums up the Black Orc changes nicely.
“Hey, at least we will get to see more of this garbage spec tank in warbands because we made the other tank almost as bad.”

[Spellbound]

Duukar is speaking right from my soul ...and he's really not asking for any big changes.
I think his interest in keeping this character "in the game" is quite clear from his arguments. Why is he being ridiculed in this attempt?
Don't we all want a well-rounded portfolio of competitive characters in this game? A clear grievance is pointed out here, in detail and with down-to-earth suggestions and comprehensible, constructive criticism.

Shame on you who can only make your own point of view. Without your "opposing side" you would only be raiding public quests ...

I would like to see the tactic that gives you two tiny punts not give immunities and be more useful interrupts.

No more no immunity punts. Already got Winds of Insanity and Outta My Way! You want a 3rd punt so BO, SH and Zealot can play pinball?

Can consider removing Outta My Way! from SH who don’t need escape tools and then apply that to BO instead in some form of knock away.