Why the damage imbalance between Chosen and KoTBS skills?

[penagos22]

what utility are you sacrificing? all of kotbs good stuff is inherent except a couple things in the right tree which is where you're going for runefang anyway. dirty tricks isnt that great at 5%

kotbs and chosen are like zeal and rp, they have dumpy trees because their base abilities and tactics are so good

I give you an example, if you wanted to do damage with the glory path, you went to the middle path and took vigilance first (tier 13 and 11) and as tactics you used laurels of victory, mighty soul (which converted all the damage of THE SKILLS OF THE PATH OF GLORY into elemental damage ), runefang (which increased str, wp and ini by 240) and destroy confidence (which removed 3 enchantments from the target and for each one dealt as much damage as a good combo with mighty soul) which utility sacrificed no +15% heals, no +10 of crit chance no shorter cd on punt, and many more..

you cannot have the def 13 and its tactic in your off spec, no

that was the great sacrifice that the kobts had to make to play 2h and do damage.

[Sinisterror]

New Destroy Confidence would shatter 2 not 3 and give MF 25% chance on hit to shatter and do extra dmg For every shattered skill. And Mighty Soul with 2h Vigilnce Back Kotbs would Be much More Fun.

[penagos22]

New Destroy Confidence would shatter 2 not 3 and give MF 25% chance on hit to shatter and do extra dmg For every shattered skill. And Mighty Soul with 2h Vigilnce Back Kotbs would Be much More Fun.

that's the problem, people keep suggesting changes that make the situation worse.
the problem with myrmida´s fury is simple, this is an ability that scales with str, so it was designed so that using the old runefang + press the attack + the renown points that were used in offensive statistics thanks to the fact that vigilance allowed it , basically myrmida's fury doesn't do any damage because the kobts 2h can't invest enough points in offensive stats.

[Evilspinnre]

So, Knight = tank for order - Chosen = tank+dps for destro

Nobody is going to take a chosen in a dps spot...

[Sinisterror]

New Destroy Confidence would shatter 2 not 3 and give MF 25% chance on hit to shatter and do extra dmg For every shattered skill. And Mighty Soul with 2h Vigilnce Back Kotbs would Be much More Fun.

that's the problem, people keep suggesting changes that make the situation worse.
the problem with myrmida´s fury is simple, this is an ability that scales with str, so it was designed so that using the old runefang + press the attack + the renown points that were used in offensive statistics thanks to the fact that vigilance allowed it , basically myrmida's fury doesn't do any damage because the kobts 2h can't invest enough points in offensive stats.

I forgot to mention that original Runefang back as well. Maybe with 240 str 200 ws 160 ini still would do the job.

[Tesq]

because knight is already the best tank in the game with all the easy but powerful utility they provide, you give them more dmg and they become super S tier class.

chosen does moderate dmg as a tank, SM, IB and BO can do more dmg for example, but they can only do auras KD and super punt, corruptive power is a thrash tactic compared to dirty tricks, chosen has to be in melee as 2h doing crits while knight just have to block no matter where he is, and this is the only grp utility tactic chosen has and is in the middle defensive tree which doesn't make sense.

chosen has the most underwhelming 13 points abilities of any tank rending blade sucks and oppression, while knight has vigilance and staggering impact

you can give more heals to your grp, more dmg to your entire realm with arching swing and staggering impact, better morales mostly m3, aoe snare, dirty tricks to your grp, not dying with vigilance and the other tactics with snb, better ap regen, better reflect build... while the chosen just does more dmg.

tell me why this class deserves more dmg? you are just a boring human KD+punt combo with no gains after all while chosen is the giga chad of the game.

nah ch dmg reflection build is better even after dirge shielding nerf, in wb vs wb in fough city i topped any tank dmg in instance; it depend how much you want to stack dmg reflection tough, and if are willing to swap armor pot for spike potion (and so run oppression which land easier in city than in rvr vs zerg.), chosen bring alse better heal debuff than kobs; ch= offensive support (tactics for dmg+heal debuff) kobs= mix/heal support (heal increase + 5% heal crit + 5% off crit).
The other 2 classes than can spike potions are IB/B.ork dune spamable armor buff. But chosen get with aura and tactics to dish dmg around, kobs have just 2 aura (same number of ch).

[Arla]

I have played both Knight > Chosen every day of the week.

[Levioc]

Interesting question .. we can ask same thing between Choppa and slayer

[Battlefield]

Did you verify ingame, that the dmg numbers on char builder are correct?

Are you a dev?

I used to be one.

Knight is more defensively oriented than Chosen and thus has lower offensive abilities and tactics.

No more Vigilance for 2h, no more core Runefang with 320 stats , i don't see where is 2h Knight is more defensively oriented now? Even shield spec for Chosen gives 50% parry +160 thoughness Daemonclaw tactic trigger, besides Chosen has 10% critical hit reduction tactic...
More defensive Knight it's all a stereotype of the past ! Only morales remained

[Tesq]

Are you a dev?

I used to be one.

Knight is more defensively oriented than Chosen and thus has lower offensive abilities and tactics.

No more Vigilance for 2h, no more core Runefang with 320 stats , i don't see where is 2h Knight is more defensively oriented now? Even shield spec for Chosen gives 50% parry +160 thoughness Daemonclaw tactic trigger, besides Chosen has 10% critical hit reduction tactic...
More defensive Knight it's all a stereotype of the past ! Only morales remained

indirectly speaking chosen take more than kobs due slayer still being a thing you know....meanwhile block build on kobs prevent most of dmg...also the 50% parry on chsen is equal to 10% block +25% parry of IB.

still you are right about kobs 2h but i would compare it to 2h BG (they bring the same stuff), meanwhile s+b bg suck