my issues/fixes

[ManBearSquig]

As a former WH and now on occasion being a WH guild group healer I can say that WH still have light armor and they die very easily. Even if they have perma stealth theyre job is not safe. The reason they group up is because all the other classes do so if a group passes them then 1 WH obviously cant kill the whole group solo. But a group of WH vs a random group can stand a chance. Even then keeping a WH alive as a healer is not so easy cause again, light armor. All other classes rely on healers WH are no diff depending on build. I see WH die all the time. WH dont have some big advantage. That is a fantasy

its like you didnt read what OP said at all.

[Tesq]

I would agree only on limiting back the stealth, this is not wow.

Even this wh gank mentality is wrong, instead give more reason to play wh/w.elf in a group we got over the years ppl that pushed for wh as a solo gank class.....the things got really messy after city but wh/w elf are still a ST focus class....

They could had recive unique role inside rvr. Instead anti ress skill which is pretty op but again st party or go play solo gank. They could had made em a party enchant class for gank for the whole group reworking 1 relic/drug.

Or other stuff that mess with oRvR mechanics..
But no you get sov skill to punt ppl off the keep. It just feel like they made a good trolling class. Appart be it good or bad.

[Allie]

Invisible class gank meta- 100 secs of invisible is not how invisible was intend to be it was meant to be a situational 15sec prep window, because invisable is over 1minute, we are getting ganks grps farming WCs & paths out side WCs with 2-6 invisible players waiting for 1-2 players & most of the time they target sub 40s


you're right invisible classes are not in ror like in other games, no instant stealth after the cd and no permanent stealth without ap loss, the 2 sec build-up time can be interrupted by anything. with a 15 sec. you would change the class in the basic design and make it worse, but you wouldn't prevent the gank groups. the best tip: don't run solo.

invisible meta 2022 working as intended, you are now forced to log out & back in to un pvp flag to take PvE or this happens
clip NSFW/children my language is not clean https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1629259013
Re: "the best tip: don't run solo." so now people are forced to log out & back in to take PvE or sit in WC waiting for a group to leave WC
Re my point: "Pug WBs having 24 player- please cap player limit in PuG WBs as they make the zones stale as they just swallow up what little players there are & turn them into a zerg blob with the WB leader spamming "Follow" please cap PuG WBs to 12 players let Guilds/Alliances be the only ones allowed 24 players make guilds & alliances relevant again"
If your not in the WB guess what no groups or other people to group with they are all in the zerg
so you have 3 options
1 log out & back in take PvE
2 wait in WC & hope more than 2 people are there to make a group
3 log out & dont play (get good,make a group,pro tip dont run solo,this is a group based game,etc)
side note this is a "Invisible class" issue both WE & WH players do this, that clip is the extreme ive seen of PvE path camping most of the time they are waiting outside WC & dont bother with PvE paths unless there is a siege & people are not going via RvR

[Ristom]

Even reducing stealth duration or similar changes will not prevent, if not encourage, these gank factions from playing that way. But the solo wh/we only punishes those who try to do their job, be it to get into a keep to destroy the oil or something else. Since it's already difficult enough to get through anyway because dmg can break the stealth, you're happy if you have enough time in stealth at the right moment to get past opponents without being discovered.

[Allie]

Even reducing stealth duration or similar changes will not prevent, if not encourage, these gank factions from playing that way. But the solo wh/we only punishes those who try to do their job, be it to get into a keep to destroy the oil or something else. Since it's already difficult enough to get through anyway because dmg can break the stealth, you're happy if you have enough time in stealth at the right moment to get past opponents without being discovered.

sad thing is WH/WE helping keep/forts/back capping bos is the exception now days, the invisible meta is gank groups & stealing supplys

[Ristom]

Even reducing stealth duration or similar changes will not prevent, if not encourage, these gank factions from playing that way. But the solo wh/we only punishes those who try to do their job, be it to get into a keep to destroy the oil or something else. Since it's already difficult enough to get through anyway because dmg can break the stealth, you're happy if you have enough time in stealth at the right moment to get past opponents without being discovered.

sad thing is WH/WE helping keep/forts/back capping bos is the exception now days, the invisible meta is gank groups & stealing supplys

I just mean even if we/wh gets a 30 sec. timer again in stealth as in live, there will still be these gank groups.

[Allie]

Even reducing stealth duration or similar changes will not prevent, if not encourage, these gank factions from playing that way. But the solo wh/we only punishes those who try to do their job, be it to get into a keep to destroy the oil or something else. Since it's already difficult enough to get through anyway because dmg can break the stealth, you're happy if you have enough time in stealth at the right moment to get past opponents without being discovered.

sad thing is WH/WE helping keep/forts/back capping bos is the exception now days, the invisible meta is gank groups & stealing supplys

I just mean even if we/wh gets a 30 sec. timer again in stealth as in live, there will still be these gank groups.

Invisible classes need a rework as they stand now
-they have no reason to join aWB or do objective - risk vs reward ganking nets them to mush to not gank its why its the meta
-over 100sec of stealth & perma stealth if they have event pot/item that ap regens while stealth
-instant stealth ability
-re stealth that can only be stopped by direct single target attacks
-M1 defensive
-single target burst with armor pen
-defensive sov gear
-regen builds
the list goes on now stack 2-6 of them in a gank group waiting outside WCs

[Ristom]

sad thing is WH/WE helping keep/forts/back capping bos is the exception now days, the invisible meta is gank groups & stealing supplys

I just mean even if we/wh gets a 30 sec. timer again in stealth as in live, there will still be these gank groups.

Invisible classes need a rework as they stand now
-they have no reason to join aWB or do objective - risk vs reward ganking nets them to mush to not gank its why its the meta
-over 100sec of stealth & perma stealth if they have event pot/item that ap regens while stealth
-instant stealth ability
-re stealth that can only be stopped by direct single target attacks
-M1 defensive
-single target burst with armor pen
-defensive sov gear
-regen builds
the list goes on now stack 2-6 of them in a gank group waiting outside WCs

-over 100sec of stealth & perma stealth if they have event pot/item that ap regens while stealth
no you can't reg ap in stealth only in wb through ap reg from other classes
-instant stealth ability
no is only 2 sec. after you can see me with 50% speed 7 sec.
M1 defensive have the most classes
defensive gear sov have another classes too
regen builds have another classes too

So there are enough classes that are op, have cancer builds etc. I play with it and don't cry around

[Allie]

I just mean even if we/wh gets a 30 sec. timer again in stealth as in live, there will still be these gank groups.

Invisible classes need a rework as they stand now
-they have no reason to join aWB or do objective - risk vs reward ganking nets them to mush to not gank its why its the meta
-over 100sec of stealth & perma stealth if they have event pot/item that ap regens while stealth
-instant stealth ability
-re stealth that can only be stopped by direct single target attacks
-M1 defensive
-single target burst with armor pen
-defensive sov gear
-regen builds
the list goes on now stack 2-6 of them in a gank group waiting outside WCs

-over 100sec of stealth & perma stealth if they have event pot/item that ap regens while stealth
no you can't reg ap in stealth only in wb through ap reg from other classes
-instant stealth ability
no is only 2 sec. after you can see me with 50% speed 7 sec.
M1 defensive have the most classes
defensive gear sov have another classes too
regen builds have another classes too

So there are enough classes that are op, have cancer builds etc. I play with it and don't cry around

its a broken meta i dont see 2-6 regen tanks camping WC etc this is not a crying QQ thread btw so dont try to drag it into that, the invisible gank meta is broken & its broken because the class is broken plan & simple nothing to do with QQ i died, if the meta of your class is to gank WC to farm RR/crest then questions need to be asked about the class & why a meta like that is forming, the fact the invisible classes dont have a meaningful purpose in RvR apart from ganking is sad for the class & a waste of the class as a whole

edit sorry you sound like you main an invisible class & like it the way it is, the fact you dont know about the broken AP regen event items that work while stealth kinda gives me pause to how much you know about whats really going on with RoR no offense
edit since we gonna nickle & dime it
"-instant stealth ability no is only 2 sec. after you can see me with 50% speed 7 sec." -stealth 30sec CD so while in combat use instant stealth ability @ 30sec & cast invisible while you have the instant stealth active then reset
"M1 defensive have the most classes"-use M1 to make immune recast stealth & reset or use M1 & burst dmg while immune to last 30ses then use as above ^^
"defensive gear sov have another classes too" single target dps with defensive gear breaks Rock paper scissors then apply above ^^
and the list goes on to why the invisible classes are now broken & need a rework

[war1221]

wh is a broken class with basically no counter, they can pick the fights they want and escape the ones they dont, automatically IWIN vs destro melee (unless u spent 2k gold on each character to play around with the regen crap). why they made it such is beyond me.