LOTD balance anyone?

[normanis]

well there is nuenace with that 15% heal . 15% kobs+ 25% from rp=40% byt chosen runs 25% heal debuff so its back to 15% . byt for him has still 25% buff from zealot (if he is in grp offc)
i mentiioned nerf slayers. bg got 2h knockdown because ib has byt same time has 5 sec knockdown what he dont give to ib.

BG : 20sc CD 2/3/4/5sc KD based on Hate, only on block
IB : 10sc CD, 3 sc KD, on block or parry.

Thank you for showing the incredible advantage that the S/B BG has compared to the S/B IB.

5 sec - dead ( to long for anytipe rvr or 6men vs 6men)
3 sec - u can survive

[Cyrylius]

That's snb bg. And if you're gonna claim that snb bg is better than any other warband tank then you're delirious. Secondly, chosen won't run HD aura unless you have two in one party, so it's not as as ever-present as you say. Thirdly, we are currently discussing small scale, where neither 5s kd nor HD appears in serious builds. Finally, I was trying to show you that order has some tools to use against destro. I'm not saying one side is better or worse, I'm giving you hints as to how other groups could successfully play order. And please, start addressing important parts of my textwalls, not some minute details I placed there as an example or for rhetorical purposes.

P.S. i don't recall pnp zerging per se, but I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be complaining about aoe cap when order wins the large scale engagements as its not a relevant factor in smallscale fights.

[normanis]

That's snb bg. And if you're gonna claim that snb bg is better than any other warband tank then you're delirious. Secondly, chosen won't run HD aura unless you have two in one party, so it's not as as ever-present as you say. Thirdly, we are currently discussing small scale, where neither 5s kd nor HD appears in serious builds. Finally, I was trying to show you that order has some tools to use against destro. I'm not saying one side is better or worse, I'm giving you hints as to how other groups could successfully play order. And please, start addressing important parts of my textwalls, not some minute details I placed there as an example or for rhetorical purposes.

P.S. i don't recall pnp zerging per se, but I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be complaining about aoe cap when order wins the large scale engagements as its not a relevant factor in smallscale fights.

i dont play 12 vs 12 or 6vs6 so i dont judge there. byt bg has uper hand vs ib. not dps byt forexample ultra far punt vs ib who hit u high and that it.
well i am not leader even i make propolsars how to setup wb they are ignored so i again its not to be adresssed to me.
also order elite 6men 12 men guilds are very ego oriented. they will never be opened for working togather with athers. tehre are also guild luiders who just whant kills to poslish their feathers and they also reject working togather realmwide.(its on order). so ather 50% are pug zergs who are constantly pressed to wc. i bet if someone will lead tham they can cause lot of troubles.
in true i didnt joined last lotds because i know outcome. i am here because ppl offend guild where i am not problems of lotd. if anyone on threads would only stick to thread and less offending athers, ppl maby would read forum more. and that will have some impact in rvr.

[Cyrylius]

That's snb bg. And if you're gonna claim that snb bg is better than any other warband tank then you're delirious. Secondly, chosen won't run HD aura unless you have two in one party, so it's not as as ever-present as you say. Thirdly, we are currently discussing small scale, where neither 5s kd nor HD appears in serious builds. Finally, I was trying to show you that order has some tools to use against destro. I'm not saying one side is better or worse, I'm giving you hints as to how other groups could successfully play order. And please, start addressing important parts of my textwalls, not some minute details I placed there as an example or for rhetorical purposes.

P.S. i don't recall pnp zerging per se, but I'm pretty sure you shouldn't be complaining about aoe cap when order wins the large scale engagements as its not a relevant factor in smallscale fights.

i dont play 12 vs 12 or 6vs6 so i dont judge there. byt bg has uper hand vs ib. not dps byt forexample ultra far punt vs ib who hit u high and that it.
well i am not leader even i make propolsars how to setup wb they are ignored so i again its not to be adresssed to me.
also order elite 6men 12 men guilds are very ego oriented. they will never be opened for working togather with athers. tehre are also guild luiders who just whant kills to poslish their feathers and they also reject working togather realmwide.(its on order). so ather 50% are pug zergs who are constantly pressed to wc. i bet if someone will lead tham they can cause lot of troubles.
in true i didnt joined last lotds because i know outcome. i am here because ppl offend guild where i am not problems of lotd. if anyone on threads would only stick to thread and less offending athers, ppl maby would read forum more. and that will have some impact in rvr.

Ib has the best ap pump and great buffs, bg lacks those and debuffs it provides are not good enough to compensate. 2H bg is good, but only 1 or 2 to provide cd and aoe Slow.
If lotd losing is an issue of personal characteristics of order players, as you say, then it's not something devs should be worrying about. If those 6/12 mans you mention are really the issue, by not coordinating, ignoring objectives or exploiting pugs for impact absorbing, then why should they be rewarded for that with favorable changes? If they can't play better (as in make the chance of winning lotd higher) then them losing is fair and deserved, and the OP was objectively wrong.
Your guild is being talked about because it's seen by others a a part of the reason as to why order loses lotd, and I don't think any of its members actually answered those accusations straight instead of the whole "ror unfair destro bias" that I've seen in here. Perhaps, if you focused more on facts and reality instead of defending your guilds good name you wouldn't have to defend it to begin with.

[miklosch]

Order is used to wait aoe bw & engies on walls before have 2x number of destro to jump , or wait in cave/door to funnel rampage in order to make tank&mdps naked.

Premade opti Orda know how to roam and make big pain. but other PU orda? god no.
This is the playstile of orda defensive & wait

I dont criticise but this is not my playstile and this is why i love destro.
Lotd has no wall, you can't wait safe somewhere you have to go out and agressive, and to my point of view, orda pu isn't used to this gameplay.

[Nameless]

Small scale on equal numbers is quite balanced. There are some perks that orders got, some destro. No problem here.

But small scale when outnumbered is quite different situation. And on that premise orders lose heavily cos pull game got heavily buffed. Sh rework also helped for that.

[madrocks]

No need of a further population restriction in LOTD.
LOTD should be at least twice a week.
It is so far the best game mode this game offers.
Every group scale has a purpose in it.
Mindless lemming behavior gets swiftly punished.
You can't hide behind walls.
Also, we would all enjoy more clown like leaders contemplating what rocked their world in full display on the forums.


Two times playing with Order I took my bunch of misfits and ensured the realm would stay on top of map control.
Didn't really see anyone else out there doing it. Out of some strange reason we won.

Now now, don't be jealous! Not my fault the Grand Alliance has a questionable approach and thinks to be a benefit to the Order realm.
Please keep on "flinging ****" at each other, it is highly entertaining.

[miklosch]

No need of a further population restriction in LOTD.
LOTD should be at least twice a week.
It is so far the best game mode this game offers.
Every group scale has a purpose in it.
Mindless lemming behavior gets swiftly punished.
You can't hide behind walls.
Also, we would all enjoy more clown like leaders contemplating what rocked their world in full display on the forums.


Two times playing with Order I took my bunch of misfits and ensured the realm would stay on top of map control.
Didn't really see anyone else out there doing it. Out of some strange reason we won.

Now now, don't be jealous! Not my fault the Grand Alliance has a questionable approach and thinks to be a benefit to the Order realm.
Please keep on "flinging ****" at each other, it is highly entertaining.

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[Snowhawk]

Last LOTD i was really surprised.
I was in 1 WB on Destroside...

We were able to get on the enemy side right at the start and capture 4 BOs (bitterwind, bones, nest) without resistance. Only 1 PUG WB (not full)...
the tactical error of the order was already visible at the start.

only at the fourth BO (@River) did order fight back. after that destruction already had the upper hand (spawned direct bitterwind and take back) for the recap and was faster. (some BOs locked than for order )

How can it be that 1 PUG WB of destro players occupy half the map on order side at the beginning?

simple: wake up

[Cyrylius]

Small scale on equal numbers is quite balanced. There are some perks that orders got, some destro. No problem here.

But small scale when outnumbered is quite different situation. And on that premise orders lose heavily cos pull game got heavily buffed. Sh rework also helped for that.

Traditional answer to this is "destro has pulls to hamper kiting groups, order has leaps to catch them". Why do you not consider those tools to be equal? Destro has a grand total of 2 pulls, one of them being close range too. As a small scale group managing the few enemies who can actually use those (and from the statistics we know that mara is among the least populated classes in lotd) is not an issue, you have runie staggers taunts los tools and many more. Ive seen (from both sides) order kite groups being virtually invincible against unorganized destro players despite the pulls. Obviously some compositions will be much more affected, but many more can play around the CC on destro really effectively.