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Sarno
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Re: Overperformance of healers in lower tiers is insane

Post#11 » Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:37 pm

Had this issue happen several times again.

One example was exceptionally insane. Scenario map was the underground temple with narrow passages and one giant central chamber (forgot the name).
Massive furball in the central chamber, again people are not dying no matter what you throw at them or who you assist. Then, me and two other players (orcs) manage to catch a Warrior Priest who is clearly out of position.
It took us almost three minutes to kill that player, with us dumping every ability we had and burning long CDs when available. At the end my frustration grew so high that I just popped Focused Mind and spammed Doombolt while at max dark magic, not caring about backlash damage and just exploding the healer and myself with them.

Sorry, but this is just straight up bulls**t. My class is made out of wet tissue paper, zero mobility because absurd cast times and I have to suicide myself to kill a healer while assisted by two other players? Hello?
Is there any person that is handling balance in the game? Because right now it feels the game is in a dire need of several major balance patches.....

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oaliaen
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Re: Overperformance of healers in lower tiers is insane

Post#12 » Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:59 pm

This is the only mmo game where healers and ranged classes are stronger than meeles.
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Zxul
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Re: Overperformance of healers in lower tiers is insane

Post#13 » Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:08 pm

Sarno wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:37 pm Then, me and two other players (orcs) manage to catch a Warrior Priest who is clearly out of position.
It took us almost three minutes to kill that player, with us dumping every ability we had and burning long CDs when available. At the end my frustration grew so high that I just popped Focused Mind and spammed Doombolt while at max dark magic, not caring about backlash damage and just exploding the healer and myself with them.
What is your build? Did you made sure to keep all dots on wp, before bursting, including Ice Spikes? Do you use intel talis in gear? How did you spec your renown?

Sorc in classic build is team dependent- at least healer for backlash dmg always helps. Though if you are pagging a lot, you have some regen tools to deal with it- pocket from greenskin city, at 36 Grimshimmer regen body (can buy on AH with some luck), lvl 36 blue regen jewelry (Fleshrender) (can buy on AH), etc. +heal/hot pots.
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Sulorie
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Re: Overperformance of healers in lower tiers is insane

Post#14 » Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:36 pm

Sarno wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:37 pm Had this issue happen several times again.

One example was exceptionally insane. Scenario map was the underground temple with narrow passages and one giant central chamber (forgot the name).
Massive furball in the central chamber, again people are not dying no matter what you throw at them or who you assist. Then, me and two other players (orcs) manage to catch a Warrior Priest who is clearly out of position.
It took us almost three minutes to kill that player, with us dumping every ability we had and burning long CDs when available. At the end my frustration grew so high that I just popped Focused Mind and spammed Doombolt while at max dark magic, not caring about backlash damage and just exploding the healer and myself with them.

Sorry, but this is just straight up bulls**t. My class is made out of wet tissue paper, zero mobility because absurd cast times and I have to suicide myself to kill a healer while assisted by two other players? Hello?
Is there any person that is handling balance in the game? Because right now it feels the game is in a dire need of several major balance patches.....
Not enough details to clear up the situation. Classes, rank, gear, builds all matters.
You mentioned the absurd cast times, therefore I get the impression it's not about rank 40.
Dying is no option.

Sarno
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Re: Overperformance of healers in lower tiers is insane

Post#15 » Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:46 pm

Zxul wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 4:08 pm
Sarno wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:37 pm Then, me and two other players (orcs) manage to catch a Warrior Priest who is clearly out of position.
It took us almost three minutes to kill that player, with us dumping every ability we had and burning long CDs when available. At the end my frustration grew so high that I just popped Focused Mind and spammed Doombolt while at max dark magic, not caring about backlash damage and just exploding the healer and myself with them.
What is your build? Did you made sure to keep all dots on wp, before bursting, including Ice Spikes? Do you use intel talis in gear? How did you spec your renown?

Sorc in classic build is team dependent- at least healer for backlash dmg always helps. Though if you are pagging a lot, you have some regen tools to deal with it- pocket from greenskin city, at 36 Grimshimmer regen body (can buy on AH with some luck), lvl 36 blue regen jewelry (Fleshrender) (can buy on AH), etc. +heal/hot pots.
Currently I am rank 24 specced in Path of Calamity with Endless Knowledge, Vision of Domination and Shadow of Disaster. As for renown I take mostly bonus intelligence with crit chance and spare points into +dodge%/disrupt%.
I did a full round around all the vendors in IC equipping the best gear I could afford for my rank, of course primarily focused on intelligence.

I fully accept that as a fairly new player (in this version) I won't be topping charts or something, but I should at least be able to get a kill here and there without having to go full tryhard mode all the time...

Was there any major changes in balance done here when this version went live? I played the original Warhammer: AoR years ago and I do not remember having this massive issues on Sorcerer at all.
Like... my salt levels are currently so high I am halfway towards ditching this useless class, rolling Disciple of Khaine and joining the immortal healer gang. At least I would have a way easier time in the game...

Zxul
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Re: Overperformance of healers in lower tiers is insane

Post#16 » Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:59 pm

Sarno wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 5:46 pm Currently I am rank 24 specced in Path of Calamity with Endless Knowledge, Vision of Domination and Shadow of Disaster. As for renown I take mostly bonus intelligence with crit chance and spare points into +dodge%/disrupt%.
I did a full round around all the vendors in IC equipping the best gear I could afford for my rank, of course primarily focused on intelligence.

I fully accept that as a fairly new player (in this version) I won't be topping charts or something, but I should at least be able to get a kill here and there without having to go full tryhard mode all the time...

Was there any major changes in balance done here when this version went live? I played the original Warhammer: AoR years ago and I do not remember having this massive issues on Sorcerer at all.
Like... my salt levels are currently so high I am halfway towards ditching this useless class, rolling Disciple of Khaine and joining the immortal healer gang. At least I would have a way easier time in the game...
Do you have intel talis in all your gear? Can get those off AH, and with boost those make a major difference. Also, do you use any armor set? The int set bonus helps.

At 24 as Calamity main you still don't have Impending Doom, which lowers your burst, and which means you have an AP problems (can't use Reckless Gathering to regain AP, then instantly regain full DM with Impending Doom). You also still don't have Vision of Torment to cover important stuff.

I recently lvled sorc myself, lot of time I would spam aoe to get some pressure in, while looking for burstable target (out of position/ain't at full hp).

Do you have Gloom of Night? For 2 sec cast time, it does a pretty nice dmg, and helps getting pressure in.

Probably as Calamity main at your lvl would go Ice Spikes > Gloom of Night > now its the time to concentrate on specific target, possibly get a Doombolt or two in- renew Ice Spikes if it got cleansed > Chillwind > Word of Pain > Arctic Blast > Gloomburst > Infernal Wave > Hand of Ruin once you get it, or Dhar Wind for a guaranteed 750 dmg, if it looks like it will finish the target.

Or you can try to go main Agony for now- extra points in Agony will make Doombolts hit harder, and you get Impending Doom. Probably take Endless Knowledge, Infernal Gift, and Tapping the Dark for tactics. Your burst in this case will be Doombolt > Gloomburst > Impending Doom > Infernal Wave (of cause, still doesn't hurts to prebuff them with Chillwind and Ice Spikes- from other hand, can skip Chillwind if you don't want to alert the burst target).
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Re: Overperformance of healers in lower tiers is insane

Post#17 » Fri Apr 28, 2023 8:32 pm

Sarno wrote: Fri Apr 28, 2023 3:37 pm Had this issue happen several times again.

One example was exceptionally insane. Scenario map was the underground temple with narrow passages and one giant central chamber (forgot the name).
Massive furball in the central chamber, again people are not dying no matter what you throw at them or who you assist. Then, me and two other players (orcs) manage to catch a Warrior Priest who is clearly out of position.
It took us almost three minutes to kill that player, with us dumping every ability we had and burning long CDs when available. At the end my frustration grew so high that I just popped Focused Mind and spammed Doombolt while at max dark magic, not caring about backlash damage and just exploding the healer and myself with them.

Sorry, but this is just straight up bulls**t. My class is made out of wet tissue paper, zero mobility because absurd cast times and I have to suicide myself to kill a healer while assisted by two other players? Hello?
Is there any person that is handling balance in the game? Because right now it feels the game is in a dire need of several major balance patches.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-LsQsAqBYk BW/SORC can be monster!

RoR.builders - Sorcerer Zxul said most already, but this is great build. start rotation with Ice spikes, Chillwind, Vop,WoP, Arctic blas, Gloomburst, Id + Hor.
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