MSH AoE punt way overtuned

[Ninjagon]

sure and lets also remove rampage and pull/pounce from WL

Sure but befor that remove choppa and mara pulls.
It is unbelievable that the faction with superior kiting abilities has the superior pulls too...

[Cleo]

sure and lets also remove rampage and pull/pounce from WL

Sure but befor that remove choppa and mara pulls.
It is unbelievable that the faction with superior kiting abilities has the superior pulls too...

No problem with that. Without Rampage, Order would lose one of their OP crutches and Destro Tanks would suddenly fill a role again against Slayer trains.

[malmar]

Last time I tried fetching anyone in ended with yanking people from inside the stonetroll crossing scenario spawn. No idea why its hated so much, it doesn't require gcd, it's harder to actually prevent for tanks and less telegraphed, especially with the speed training. But back to the msh issue, I fail to understand why swordmaster pounce is fine while msh one isn't. The amount of combinations for SM (pounce into slow, pounce>kd>punt, pounce>AoE punt, pounce>AoE root, pounce into raking talon, pounce to a healer>slow>casttime debuff..) brings much more options to the table and from the general flow of the discussion it doesn't seem like much shorter cooldown is that big of a game changer for such a gimmicky skill. Especially since no matter what snb sm will be much more surable than sq.
What do i know however.

MSH isn't a morale, SM is. Is that enough? Why destro has 2 pulls and 2 pounces? That should be the biggest problem here. Unbalance is biggest in destruction favor.

SM is not mirror to sh, sw is (not a direct mirror) and sw has leap.

[forsa]

SM is not mirror to sh, sw is (not a direct mirror) and sw has leap.

SW has no leap. Shadowstep does not work with height difference, unlike SH pounce.

[Florian90210]

SM is not mirror to sh, sw is (not a direct mirror) and sw has leap.

SW has no leap. Shadowstep does not work with height difference, unlike SH pounce.

It works now, but distance is too short and it moves you near target, not on target or behind. So you can jump on wall only if wall really low, target stands little bit away from edge and you have LOS. Not really usable.