Playing MSH, why blamming me ?

[Avernus]

1. All kill is a good kill

2. Also, there is nothing like joining sc as a dps zealot, to make sc chat more interesting

3. Or, as I remember a guildie saying, "I roam on zealot in dps spec, but when I do I have the common decency to stay out of wbs".

4. Back on live though, zealot with 2x bugged lotd weapons with the right souls (2x 90 magic power + 2 x 90 heal power, or say 2x 10% crit 2x 90 power) could do some dmg. Was actually doing pretty decent spamming aoe on mine, and then there was a zealot named Rafaelka which I saw several times getting top dmg in scs and cities.

1. Are you sure that your boss is Tzeentch?
2. Most common reason to afk sc
3. Fair enough
4. Still, the only reason for you to be picked - AoE healing debuff.

[inoeth]

would you please consider opening another thread for dps zealot? this is about msh.
this is not inception!

btw is there an armor debuff weapon available for sh?

[Avernus]

btw is there an armor debuff weapon available for sh?

Unless its some old weapon from epic quest (there was something like that on live), no.

[Phantasm]

would you please consider opening another thread for dps zealot? this is about msh.
this is not inception!

btw is there an armor debuff weapon available for sh?

Unfortunately as for WL there is Armor debuff Weapon and Heal debuff weapon, for melee squig which quite similarly plays same role in WB, there is NO utility weapon for squigs, must be oversight from Devs i guess.

[lumpi33]

Unfortunately as for WL there is Armor debuff Weapon and Heal debuff weapon, for melee squig which quite similarly plays same role in WB, there is NO utility weapon for squigs, must be oversight from Devs i guess.

There might not be a utility weapon for squigs but what you don't mention is the much better toolkit on destro side.

Let's see:
- Pounce in, jump back out again.
- KABOOM, another utility to save yourself from an assist train.
- Large radius aoe. Most other classes have only a frontal cone aoe.
- A tactic that gives 10% increased defenses in squig armor. Together with deft defender that is incredible good against ranged dps. Something the WL doesn't have.
- a M2 aoe snare moral. Incredible good together with a pounce and large radius aoe.
- a cool down increaser.
- a run away tactic, a run away ability, an auto detaunt tactic
- a DOK aura that gives a high chance to snare everybody on every hit.
- a Mara aoe knock down.
- a Choppa pulling people into your aoe.

mSH is a hell of a good class in warbands.

Compare this stuff to SW. Only frontal aoe, in ultra squishy stance, without 10% increase defense tactic, without auto detaunt, without run away, without cool down increaser, without mara knock down, without choppa pulls, without dok snare aura, without KABOOM. And you are crying that mSH is bad. What a joke.

[Avernus]

Compare this stuff to SW. Only frontal aoe, in ultra squishy stance, without 10% increase defense tactic, without auto detaunt, without run away, without cool down increaser, without mara knock down, without choppa pulls, without dok snare aura, without KABOOM. And you are crying that mSH is bad. What a joke.

Don't forget that unless you have an SM with WW, you can't AoE like a proper AoE dps. AoE spiral arrow was bad on live, and its still crap here (even worse, actually, because of the buffed GTDC).

[Phantasm]

Unfortunately as for WL there is Armor debuff Weapon and Heal debuff weapon, for melee squig which quite similarly plays same role in WB, there is NO utility weapon for squigs, must be oversight from Devs i guess.

There might not be a utility weapon for squigs but what you don't mention is the much better toolkit on destro side.

Let's see:
- Pounce in, jump back out again.
- KABOOM, another utility to save yourself from an assist train.
- Large radius aoe. Most other classes have only a frontal cone aoe.
- A tactic that gives 10% increased defenses in squig armor. Together with deft defender that is incredible good against ranged dps. Something the WL doesn't have.
- a M2 aoe snare moral. Incredible good together with a pounce and large radius aoe.
- a cool down increaser.
- a run away tactic, a run away ability, an auto detaunt tactic
- a DOK aura that gives a high chance to snare everybody on every hit.
- a Mara aoe knock down.
- a Choppa pulling people into your aoe.

mSH is a hell of a good class in warbands.

Compare this stuff to SW. Only frontal aoe, in ultra squishy stance, without 10% increase defense tactic, without auto detaunt, without run away, without cool down increaser, without mara knock down, without choppa pulls, without dok snare aura, without KABOOM. And you are crying that mSH is bad. What a joke.

Mate, I dont deny all of things MSH has, all you mention is correct, thats why I play MSH (Balls of Destrution FTW), I was answering question is there any weapon with utility that MSH can use - there is none. Please dont turn another topic into balance thread, that is not a point of topics like that.

[Gladiolix]

Spoiler:

Unfortunately as for WL there is Armor debuff Weapon and Heal debuff weapon, for melee squig which quite similarly plays same role in WB, there is NO utility weapon for squigs, must be oversight from Devs i guess.

There might not be a utility weapon for squigs but what you don't mention is the much better toolkit on destro side.

Let's see:
- Pounce in, jump back out again.
- KABOOM, another utility to save yourself from an assist train.
- Large radius aoe. Most other classes have only a frontal cone aoe.
- A tactic that gives 10% increased defenses in squig armor. Together with deft defender that is incredible good against ranged dps. Something the WL doesn't have.
- a M2 aoe snare moral. Incredible good together with a pounce and large radius aoe.
- a cool down increaser.
- a run away tactic, a run away ability, an auto detaunt tactic
- a DOK aura that gives a high chance to snare everybody on every hit.
- a Mara aoe knock down.
- a Choppa pulling people into your aoe.

mSH is a hell of a good class in warbands.

Compare this stuff to SW. Only frontal aoe, in ultra squishy stance, without 10% increase defense tactic, without auto detaunt, without run away, without cool down increaser, without mara knock down, without choppa pulls, without dok snare aura, without KABOOM. And you are crying that mSH is bad. What a joke.

Wow, how do you spec SEVEN tactics at once? Or what kind of a ding-dong spec would you play?

Here's my loner mSH build, without chop fasta it's quite meh.
RoR.builders - Squig Herder

Run away skill requires pet and not usable in melee form anyways. Kaboom extremely situational, and leaves you defenseless for 5s.

Good cherry picking though.

[lumpi33]

Spoiler:

Unfortunately as for WL there is Armor debuff Weapon and Heal debuff weapon, for melee squig which quite similarly plays same role in WB, there is NO utility weapon for squigs, must be oversight from Devs i guess.

There might not be a utility weapon for squigs but what you don't mention is the much better toolkit on destro side.

Let's see:
- Pounce in, jump back out again.
- KABOOM, another utility to save yourself from an assist train.
- Large radius aoe. Most other classes have only a frontal cone aoe.
- A tactic that gives 10% increased defenses in squig armor. Together with deft defender that is incredible good against ranged dps. Something the WL doesn't have.
- a M2 aoe snare moral. Incredible good together with a pounce and large radius aoe.
- a cool down increaser.
- a run away tactic, a run away ability, an auto detaunt tactic
- a DOK aura that gives a high chance to snare everybody on every hit.
- a Mara aoe knock down.
- a Choppa pulling people into your aoe.

mSH is a hell of a good class in warbands.

Compare this stuff to SW. Only frontal aoe, in ultra squishy stance, without 10% increase defense tactic, without auto detaunt, without run away, without cool down increaser, without mara knock down, without choppa pulls, without dok snare aura, without KABOOM. And you are crying that mSH is bad. What a joke.

Wow, how do you spec SEVEN tactics at once? Or what kind of a ding-dong spec would you play?

Here's my loner mSH build, without chop fasta it's quite meh.
RoR.builders - Squig Herder

Run away skill requires pet and not usable in melee form anyways. Kaboom extremely situational, and leaves you defenseless for 5s.

Good cherry picking though.

It's not cherry picking. That's what the msh/destro has access to. Other classes like their mirror SW don't have that choices.

Whether Kabbom is extremely situational or not doesn't matter. You have it. SW not, WL also not. And it is a great tool to get distance. See for example: viewtopic.php?f=54&t=51190

Destro always trying to pretend that GTDC or mara aoe knock down is just free immunity, or mara 100ft pulls just hurt feelings or nobody slots run away or auto detaunt. Wrong. These are super useful tools and they are not available on order side. Nobody understands why doks get the snare component on the aura either. Or why Zealots get that immunity free wind. It is what it is but don't try to tell us that these tools are not an advantage over order.