And that still won't stop the bulls*** pulls and AOE KD.
So obvious what you are going to do when you charge in Gara, yet not a lot to stop it
And that still won't stop the bulls*** pulls and AOE KD.
so this is excuse to not siege, byt come and tell on forum why there is so many invitebla city sieges than aldorf? maby because u all are too bisy wc camp?Garamore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:36 pmThis is an RvR game not a hide in a keep game. I could go hide in a wardrobe in my house if I wanted to but id rather do something more exciting. Been on order a little bit recently and so sad to see the constant t4 messages telling people to give up and hide. As Finbarr said this game is good when there's reasonable balance between sides. If half of one faction are hiding then we will never get there. Taking bags away from a keep defense takes away the incentive to afk till one occurs. By all means triple the rewards for actual fights to make up for it.normanis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:53 am its understandable whysuch post is opened. order new tactic is hide in keep when ganked by pullbots. where magnet sucks. so opening thread about , how bed is hide in keeps because i cant u pull. its troll thread, for biting. veery bad balance than we have now.
why hand of blood even left t1? if they whant only t1 style fights?
t2/3/4 that why has keeps. if game would be designed around wow shity batlegrounds than why bother even with making keep sistem in warhammer? why game developers even bothered with diferent pvp stile than it is already in wow? isnt that why we love warhammer with diferent pvp stile?
p,s personaly i love warhammer because of diferences not because of coppy paste of wow. byt some ppl whant evrything like in ather games just diference orcs here is fungus : lol :
Keeps are a handicap for the outnumbered/outgeared/out organised side. Without it people would simply just log off on the losing side which is already a huge problem even with keeps but would be even worse without them.Garamore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:29 pm Are you telling me you would rather play a game where one side hides for 30 mins before there is any action? If all order can do is funnel then there is so many places in most zones where you can do it - watch a NM/TUP video or any of the good wbs and see. They will fix choppa pulls at the same time they fix rampage/id which is never so might as well come out and fight.
Healer will heal, tank will move towards me, ill pop an absorb pot, maybe my m1, take a heal pot or two and yeah from time to time ill die but at least its a fight.
should i remind u how u left city siege after u counter nightmare? somwhere was video on forum. and u are mocking order for not taking your fights where they cant atleast give proper fight. u have short memory.Garamore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:00 pmHealer will heal, tank will move towards me, ill pop an absorb pot, maybe my m1, take a heal pot or two and yeah from time to time ill die but at least its a fight.
From all this qq on the board it looks like primetime order morale is at rock bottom.
it is sticking 100% to topic.Garamore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:11 pm Yep we left like many before and many will in the future. That's down to other reasons that aren't allowed to be discussed on the forum. We have never left RvR even when outnumbered and fight even with 80% + aao.
Lets stick on the topic of the reward model driving order behaviour that's making rvr very dull
The thread is about rewards influence on player behavior. Kind of what the title says.normanis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:56 pmso this is excuse to not siege, byt come and tell on forum why there is so many invitebla city sieges than aldorf? maby because u all are too bisy wc camp?Garamore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:36 pmThis is an RvR game not a hide in a keep game. I could go hide in a wardrobe in my house if I wanted to but id rather do something more exciting. Been on order a little bit recently and so sad to see the constant t4 messages telling people to give up and hide. As Finbarr said this game is good when there's reasonable balance between sides. If half of one faction are hiding then we will never get there. Taking bags away from a keep defense takes away the incentive to afk till one occurs. By all means triple the rewards for actual fights to make up for it.normanis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 8:53 am its understandable whysuch post is opened. order new tactic is hide in keep when ganked by pullbots. where magnet sucks. so opening thread about , how bed is hide in keeps because i cant u pull. its troll thread, for biting. veery bad balance than we have now.
why hand of blood even left t1? if they whant only t1 style fights?
t2/3/4 that why has keeps. if game would be designed around wow shity batlegrounds than why bother even with making keep sistem in warhammer? why game developers even bothered with diferent pvp stile than it is already in wow? isnt that why we love warhammer with diferent pvp stile?
p,s personaly i love warhammer because of diferences not because of coppy paste of wow. byt some ppl whant evrything like in ather games just diference orcs here is fungus : lol :
give coockies also to order miror clases i would also spam gtdc nonstop with 10sec cd (acording to forum)
so basicly if order refuse play your t1 game wc camping u come here on forum and make threads how keep sieges are bad. and why ranged biased order are hiding in keep??? maby because of bugged pulls and mindless zerg? gives us also bugged pulls. why only 1 side has upper hand in keep and ather dont have. this is unaceptable.
even your sistem will be approved, what does its mean. constant wc camping. (like now is diferent), u build like in t1 points toward 100% and zone is locked. go next zone and camp wc nonstop. than another. no mater is it destro or order they will do it.
i reaveal my plan how should look like pvp with keeps
in first i whant to say previous keep lord sutem was nice (control objects, lord deal more damage)
0 rank - no bonuses . just keep defences no oil no engine no respawn
1rank- oil, spawn in keep no ather bonuses like engineering canons/rams
2rank - oil/spawn/all engineering (limited)
3rank - all previous bonuses + more munnition to canons . no pasdoor using as attacker
4/5 - all previous bonuses + godlike lord
so basicly enemy will try stop u from ranking keep, to make it easer for tham. here comes all open field fights. batle objectives controls, more obejctives u control fatter tick of boxes and stronger ranking keep. like 1 obj- no xpierence to rank keep. 2 objects - 100/ 3 - 150 and 4 give - 400 per box
attacking side for taking x rank keep take better rr and bags than taking 0 star.
gold start drop after 2 stars.
0 - star white
1star -blue
and so on.
atleast its my point of view.
atmoment its not like that its 1 sided, or lotd clones. and we all know who win in lotd fights. order dont have keeps there just wc.
This is not the topic, that is trying to discus balance.normanis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:20 pmit is sticking 100% to topic.Garamore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:11 pm Yep we left like many before and many will in the future. That's down to other reasons that aren't allowed to be discussed on the forum. We have never left RvR even when outnumbered and fight even with 80% + aao.
Lets stick on the topic of the reward model driving order behaviour that's making rvr very dull
order cant take open fights, they defend wc or keep. many ppl before me already explained.
byt seems u think diferent. when u cant defeat someone u left it. byt when u face weaker than u , and they leave wc/keep loog out , than u are angry. and come here to spread out topiks how bad is keeps and bad is order. its basicly same.. ppl dodge parts of game if they cant beat oponent or atleast give fight. yes we loose byt atleast we also get kills and fun.
and city sieges are badly designed as endgame.
-The thread is about rewards influence on player behavior. Kind of what the title says.-Acidic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:24 pmThe thread is about rewards influence on player behavior. Kind of what the title says.normanis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:56 pmso this is excuse to not siege, byt come and tell on forum why there is so many invitebla city sieges than aldorf? maby because u all are too bisy wc camp?Garamore wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:36 pm
This is an RvR game not a hide in a keep game. I could go hide in a wardrobe in my house if I wanted to but id rather do something more exciting. Been on order a little bit recently and so sad to see the constant t4 messages telling people to give up and hide. As Finbarr said this game is good when there's reasonable balance between sides. If half of one faction are hiding then we will never get there. Taking bags away from a keep defense takes away the incentive to afk till one occurs. By all means triple the rewards for actual fights to make up for it.
give coockies also to order miror clases i would also spam gtdc nonstop with 10sec cd (acording to forum)
so basicly if order refuse play your t1 game wc camping u come here on forum and make threads how keep sieges are bad. and why ranged biased order are hiding in keep??? maby because of bugged pulls and mindless zerg? gives us also bugged pulls. why only 1 side has upper hand in keep and ather dont have. this is unaceptable.
even your sistem will be approved, what does its mean. constant wc camping. (like now is diferent), u build like in t1 points toward 100% and zone is locked. go next zone and camp wc nonstop. than another. no mater is it destro or order they will do it.
i reaveal my plan how should look like pvp with keeps
in first i whant to say previous keep lord sutem was nice (control objects, lord deal more damage)
0 rank - no bonuses . just keep defences no oil no engine no respawn
1rank- oil, spawn in keep no ather bonuses like engineering canons/rams
2rank - oil/spawn/all engineering (limited)
3rank - all previous bonuses + more munnition to canons . no pasdoor using as attacker
4/5 - all previous bonuses + godlike lord
so basicly enemy will try stop u from ranking keep, to make it easer for tham. here comes all open field fights. batle objectives controls, more obejctives u control fatter tick of boxes and stronger ranking keep. like 1 obj- no xpierence to rank keep. 2 objects - 100/ 3 - 150 and 4 give - 400 per box
attacking side for taking x rank keep take better rr and bags than taking 0 star.
gold start drop after 2 stars.
0 - star white
1star -blue
and so on.
atleast its my point of view.
atmoment its not like that its 1 sided, or lotd clones. and we all know who win in lotd fights. order dont have keeps there just wc.
Balance of game find another thread please.
The part regardsing why destro city is permanatly sigeded in in scope as that is diown to order group being rewarded for doing pve and rewarded with pvp rewards
Also good you have ideas for the campaign but also another thread.
It should be obvious that some do not enjoy the pvdoor , zerging ,,, that the current game has degenerated to so let’s try identify the impact rewarding these player behavior has so things can be done.
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