State of Retribution/Slayer

[Mergrim]

Devs finally nerf op SL/Choppa aoe/st spec.
How can you defend this sick situation that has gone on for so long?
Classes that have excellent ST dmg and in the same spec great aoe should never have been able to do this and they have. It's just that people got used to this unhealthy situation and that's why now they are unhappy.
Very good move by the devs. You want to bomb you have to sacrifice something and be weaker in ST.
Just a rework of sl/choppa 2h build and they will finally be classes like they should have always been.

I do not agree. Choppa was never the best in ST and AOE... for several years the monster mara dealt more damage than choppa while having the survivability of a tank. Spamming 1 button rend mara dealt more ST damage than choppa on full rotation. Meanwhile, you had armor/2, resistance/2. We are talking about old times, but this situation has existed for 5-6 years?
What do we have now? Wild swing nerfed to the ground...sw on his barrage /lileath had almost x2 base damage...pop von (no gcd) free 25% critical damage buff and you hit choppa full rage x2. Slayer is now worse shape than Choppa. I don't see any reason to play them when I can just go SW and do x2 what Slayer does with better tools (no CD healing debuff/self-punt/stance switch etc.)

I expect more from the classes that are the most fragile in the game. And you know I've played every class in the game, and Slayer is currently the worst. Almost not playing now, but it's sad to see where things are going.

[Akalukz]

Spoiler:

You do know that main wl aoe dps ability Whirling Axe is 360 degree, right?

Also, rp has 360 degree abilities just like zealot.

Should have put aoe 360° channeled like this for eye-catching purpose...

So is the mirrored Wrecking ball ability on Marauder, who also can benefit from 25% arpen (not only for 2 skills unlike WL) and greatly added chance to crit.

Spoiler:

Nonetheless, it was not about mirrored abilities we are speaking of here, but, and that was the point of my post, mostly about slayer, and the other NON mirrored abilities only Destruction classes got, without equivalent countepart (or counter) for Order classes.

Slayer got Inevitable Doom who was marginally better than GtdC, thanks to previously OP rampage again, as for only "channeled" AoE 360° if I dare compare...

Now ID got nerfed without tactic, and Retribution, wich is the exact mirror of Choppa equivalent skill, is now F tier thanks to the stupid ICD of the ability, unlike Live game version.

So Choppa can still onebutton to be efficient, while Slayer is now unuseable for AoE pressure in its current state.

small correction. Wrecking ball is not 360, it's not even 180.

[Mergrim]

Devs finally nerf op SL/Choppa aoe/st spec.
How can you defend this sick situation that has gone on for so long?
Classes that have excellent ST dmg and in the same spec great aoe should never have been able to do this and they have. It's just that people got used to this unhealthy situation and that's why now they are unhappy.
Very good move by the devs. You want to bomb you have to sacrifice something and be weaker in ST.
Just a rework of sl/choppa 2h build and they will finally be classes like they should have always been.

I do not agree. Choppa was never the best in ST and AOE... for several years the monster mara dealt more damage than choppa while having the survivability of a tank. Spamming 1 button rend mara dealt more ST damage than choppa on full rotation. Meanwhile, you had armor/2, resistance/2. I'm talking about old times, but this situation has existed for 5-6 years?
What do we have now? Wild swing nerfed to the ground...sw on his barrage /lileath had almost x2 base damage...pop von (no gcd) free 25% critical damage buff and you hit choppa full rage x2. Slayer is now worse shape than Choppa. I don't see any reason to play them when I can just go SW and do x2 what Slayer does with better tools (no CD healing debuff/self-punt/stance switch etc.)

I expect more from the classes that are the most fragile in the game. And you know I've played every class in the game, and Slayer is currently the worst. Almost not playing now, but it's sad to see where things are going.

[agemennon675]

Devs finally nerf op SL/Choppa aoe/st spec.
How can you defend this sick situation that has gone on for so long?
Classes that have excellent ST dmg and in the same spec great aoe should never have been able to do this and they have. It's just that people got used to this unhealthy situation and that's why now they are unhappy.
Very good move by the devs. You want to bomb you have to sacrifice something and be weaker in ST.
Just a rework of sl/choppa 2h build and they will finally be classes like they should have always been.

I do not agree. Choppa was never the best in ST and AOE... for several years the monster mara dealt more damage than choppa while having the survivability of a tank. Spamming 1 button rend mara dealt more ST damage than choppa on full rotation. Meanwhile, you had armor/2, resistance/2. We are talking about old times, but this situation has existed for 5-6 years?
What do we have now? Wild swing nerfed to the ground...sw on his barrage /lileath had almost x2 base damage...pop von (no gcd) free 25% critical damage buff and you hit choppa full rage x2. Slayer is now worse shape than Choppa. I don't see any reason to play them when I can just go SW and do x2 what Slayer does with better tools (no CD healing debuff/self-punt/stance switch etc.)

I expect more from the classes that are the most fragile in the game. And you know I've played every class in the game, and Slayer is currently the worst. Almost not playing now, but it's sad to see where things are going.

Please re-roll SW and see how you have 0 aoe in melee spec and how pitiful fluff dmg you deal in range aoe compared to slayer and tell us how 6 SW stacking in WB does compared to 6 SL

[Mergrim]

Devs finally nerf op SL/Choppa aoe/st spec.
How can you defend this sick situation that has gone on for so long?
Classes that have excellent ST dmg and in the same spec great aoe should never have been able to do this and they have. It's just that people got used to this unhealthy situation and that's why now they are unhappy.
Very good move by the devs. You want to bomb you have to sacrifice something and be weaker in ST.
Just a rework of sl/choppa 2h build and they will finally be classes like they should have always been.

I do not agree. Choppa was never the best in ST and AOE... for several years the monster mara dealt more damage than choppa while having the survivability of a tank. Spamming 1 button rend mara dealt more ST damage than choppa on full rotation. Meanwhile, you had armor/2, resistance/2. We are talking about old times, but this situation has existed for 5-6 years?
What do we have now? Wild swing nerfed to the ground...sw on his barrage /lileath had almost x2 base damage...pop von (no gcd) free 25% critical damage buff and you hit choppa full rage x2. Slayer is now worse shape than Choppa. I don't see any reason to play them when I can just go SW and do x2 what Slayer does with better tools (no CD healing debuff/self-punt/stance switch etc.)

I expect more from the classes that are the most fragile in the game. And you know I've played every class in the game, and Slayer is currently the worst. Almost not playing now, but it's sad to see where things are going.

Please re-roll SW and see how you have 0 aoe in melee spec and how pitiful fluff dmg you deal in range aoe compared to slayer and tell us how 6 SW stacking in WB does compared to 6 SL

Like i write...i play every single class in this game. Not need to reroll...check my SW Kaihen, check sc score, due i mostly only just login for sc weekend and thats all. I don't have screens but i hit for 1600-1700 aoe with barrage/lileath arrow(yea give 90% armor penetration)...and i had slayer bis 85rr...and he hit like wet noddle. It's funny that so many sw still cry about how weak sw is...ppl playing this game for years and they still have no clue how to play.
https://ibb.co/m8XhLhM
Here's a screenshot from the old city... when SW has no 15% armor penetration/no 25% critical damage buff/von with GCD/no 130ws buff from triumphant proc... my SW is stronger by about 30-40%, and i still don't have BiS gear.

[Sever1n]

I remeber what kind of cityes with Torbolt was then. Back in that days we had screens of engies/maguses dealing 10-12kk dmg in sweaty cities. Ask Raistleen. No SW wasnt even near to that. So agaist who this screen was taken?

[waerter]

Please stay on the topic. If you want to indulge in nostalgia, please open a "old men tell about war" thread. There you can also compare your damage numbers as a potency meter. This thread has a different purpose.

[Sever1n]

There was statement about sw dmg compared to slay im interested. Mention about engies/magus was there becose they hold absolute record of damage. Second place is BW. So im curious is it really now overperforming slays in city, becose its not the first mention of such information, but still didnt saw the proofs. If thats true maybe your claims in overnerfed dead slay is true.

[agemennon675]

I do not agree. Choppa was never the best in ST and AOE... for several years the monster mara dealt more damage than choppa while having the survivability of a tank. Spamming 1 button rend mara dealt more ST damage than choppa on full rotation. Meanwhile, you had armor/2, resistance/2. We are talking about old times, but this situation has existed for 5-6 years?
What do we have now? Wild swing nerfed to the ground...sw on his barrage /lileath had almost x2 base damage...pop von (no gcd) free 25% critical damage buff and you hit choppa full rage x2. Slayer is now worse shape than Choppa. I don't see any reason to play them when I can just go SW and do x2 what Slayer does with better tools (no CD healing debuff/self-punt/stance switch etc.)

I expect more from the classes that are the most fragile in the game. And you know I've played every class in the game, and Slayer is currently the worst. Almost not playing now, but it's sad to see where things are going.

Please re-roll SW and see how you have 0 aoe in melee spec and how pitiful fluff dmg you deal in range aoe compared to slayer and tell us how 6 SW stacking in WB does compared to 6 SL

Like i write...i play every single class in this game. Not need to reroll...check my SW Kaihen, check sc score, due i mostly only just login for sc weekend and thats all. I don't have screens but i hit for 1600-1700 aoe with barrage/lileath arrow(yea give 90% armor penetration)...and i had slayer bis 85rr...and he hit like wet noddle. It's funny that so many sw still cry about how weak sw is...ppl playing this game for years and they still have no clue how to play.
https://ibb.co/m8XhLhM
Here's a screenshot from the old city... when SW has no 15% armor penetration/no 25% critical damage buff/von with GCD/no 130ws buff from triumphant proc... my SW is stronger by about 30-40%, and i still don't have BiS gear.

I fail to see how this is all connected to what I wrote and somehow everyone else just no clue how to play but you lol