IB snb balance/bug problem

[jafh123]

In my experience as offensive SnB IB, you won't be able to kill full regen/defensive SnB tanks, healing spec'd healers, full regen maras (grimshimmer + 3 fleshrender + high toughness or armor with talis), witch elves that don't want to fight you and squig herders that don't want to fight you.

A good 1v1 spec'd choppa (grimshimmer+armor talis) can actually kill a SnB IB thanks to high parry + riposte (which is present during the while fight and can deal around 200-300 damage to my SnB IB per tick).

As rr55 you only destroy similarly undergeared and inexperienced players.

But still they cant kill u ....and Choppa in this Moment After Nerf 100x100 cant kill u.....as rr55 surely i killed some normal or lowbie player but 1 year ago i Remember i cant kill at all ....only Uber noobs or Uber under Gear ones....now Is totally different....way way stronger and Better....so the concept Is ib snb has a counter class that can kill him? Before yes now...After this patch no....maybe Choppa before as u said now no x100....so a class that don't have a counter class Need to be fixed imho and fast as devs can...

And One year ago mamy snb ib do way less damage and die alot in 1v1 or 1vx .....Watch kill ratio before and now....rarely u see a ib snb with 100/1 in One week...i talk of snb.....now u see some snb with 300 + solo kills in One month with 1 death....maybe killed by a Choppa healed with shami....kill ratio of some ib snb in solo go from 6/1 tò 20/1 and from every 30/40 solo kill and 2/3 solo death....tò 300/1 ratio for u Is normal..?all skill? I doubt....another thing....1 year ago same Gear same lvl as now i killed only bolstered char and new to game (bolstered good ones was harder) with armor bugged they fix It now....now armor for bolster lvl Is fixed and i can 2 of EM Easy....they are similar tò a 40 ones...1 year ago was easier but harder tò kill for how bad class snb Is for 1vx....now Is harder or should be harder for the fix of bolstered player armor but Is easier for how much Op Is now the class and thats a fact

SnB IB is strong, I've been saying It for months (I've soloed from rr50 to 83 as SnB IB), but still most IB's I see around are 2h, I'm not seeing all those solo SnB IB you are seeing.

I almost exclusively solo roam, and my build is made for it. I use different gear sets and tactics (if I'm fast enough to change them) depending on who and how many I'm gonna fight.

Most of the time the people you fight in 1v1 are not built for it, so you destroy them, but when you find someone that knows what he's doing you really notice it (there aren't any destro solo roamers playing, so this rarely happens).

[Stinksuit]

Right now, if the target is debuffed completely with demo strike and 100 grudge stonebreaker, and is squishy (low toughness and armor), 100 grudge oathstone can do around 700 per tick, so a total of around 2800 damage.

Vs tanks, with all debuffs, it can deal around 200-300 per tick, so a total of around 800-1200, depending on armor penetration.

Most good players have ways to counter oathstone, like cc or not attack (or attack from behind) when they see it.

Also, SnB can deal damage by focusing on offensive stats, which means giving up defensive stats, it will still deal less damage than 2h tanks (obviously). IB just happens to be good in 1v1 scenarios, but in RVR (main focus of the game) utility is more important.

Problem Is a good ib in 1v1 don't let u take Is back Easy....second u forget his cc...3rd if he use offensive tactics in 1v1 he became stronger cuz Is already too tanky i know cuz ive done and ib snb with 55 rr domi Merc Gear i was doing 1v2 playing It After 1 year and killed peps with almost no pots.....i Remember 1 year ago with same gear u hardly kill 1 lvl 20....now u can kill Easy two 40's.....something changed drastically.....i don't wanna Imagine top players of ib with bis Gear and full pots in a 1v1 scenario....u Simply destroy everything....would be bad but more logic on a 2h spec at least u have the exscuse tò be a dps...broken dps but a dps....now as snb tank u are a tank...supposed tò do 0 damage and give only 100 x 100 support

In my experience as offensive SnB IB, you won't be able to kill full regen/defensive SnB tanks, healing spec'd healers, full regen maras (grimshimmer + 3 fleshrender + high toughness or armor with talis), witch elves that don't want to fight you and squig herders that don't want to fight you.

A good 1v1 spec'd choppa (grimshimmer+armor talis) can actually kill a SnB IB thanks to high parry + riposte (which is present during the while fight and can deal around 200-300 damage to my SnB IB per tick).

As rr55 you only destroy similarly undergeared and inexperienced players.

How upsetting it may be to me but I agree that in a pure 1v1 against snb tanks in general (not just ib) some sort of regen melee spec with high ws and riposte is the best bet to beat the tank.. personally I would like to see solo meta shift from all this regen/deftard to more dmg oriented but I guess one can only dream :)

[Pahakukka]

Problem Is a good ib in 1v1 don't let u take Is back Easy....second u forget his cc...3rd if he use offensive tactics in 1v1 he became stronger cuz Is already too tanky i know cuz ive done and ib snb with 55 rr domi Merc Gear i was doing 1v2 playing It After 1 year and killed peps with almost no pots.....i Remember 1 year ago with same gear u hardly kill 1 lvl 20....now u can kill Easy two 40's.....something changed drastically.....i don't wanna Imagine top players of ib with bis Gear and full pots in a 1v1 scenario....u Simply destroy everything....would be bad but more logic on a 2h spec at least u have the exscuse tò be a dps...broken dps but a dps....now as snb tank u are a tank...supposed tò do 0 damage and give only 100 x 100 support

In my experience as offensive SnB IB, you won't be able to kill full regen/defensive SnB tanks, healing spec'd healers, full regen maras (grimshimmer + 3 fleshrender + high toughness or armor with talis), witch elves that don't want to fight you and squig herders that don't want to fight you.

A good 1v1 spec'd choppa (grimshimmer+armor talis) can actually kill a SnB IB thanks to high parry + riposte (which is present during the while fight and can deal around 200-300 damage to my SnB IB per tick).

As rr55 you only destroy similarly undergeared and inexperienced players.

How upsetting it may be to me but I agree that in a pure 1v1 against snb tanks in general (not just ib) some sort of regen melee spec with high ws and riposte is the best bet to beat the tank.. personally I would like to see solo meta shift from all this regen/deftard to more dmg oriented but I guess one can only dream

We need someone like knick to both sides to show where ppl can shove their regen

[Wdova]

Why would anyone want to fight SnB tank in first place? For healers, offensive speced SnB IB is no threat. Range dps has tools to kite him and run away. Tanks has enough armor, toughmes and regen to 1v1 him. On small scale most IBs run 2H for on demand KD anyway. In WBs IB stack toughnes /wounds. So in what scenario is offensive SnB so deadly? Yes 1v1 with melee dps. Everyone else can either ignore, or run.

[Stinksuit]

Why would anyone want to fight SnB tank in first place? For healers, offensive speced SnB IB is no threat. Range dps has tools to kite him and run away. Tanks has enough armor, toughmes and regen to 1v1 him. On small scale most IBs run 2H for on demand KD anyway. In WBs IB stack toughnes /wounds. So in what scenario is offensive SnB so deadly? Yes 1v1 with melee dps. Everyone else can either ignore, or run.

This is exactly how I feel about snb tanks. I dont see any situation where I cant just walk away from them..

[Farrul]

Why would anyone want to fight SnB tank in first place? For healers, offensive speced SnB IB is no threat. Range dps has tools to kite him and run away. Tanks has enough armor, toughmes and regen to 1v1 him. On small scale most IBs run 2H for on demand KD anyway. In WBs IB stack toughnes /wounds. So in what scenario is offensive SnB so deadly? Yes 1v1 with melee dps. Everyone else can either ignore, or run.

Theoretically maybe, practically what determines duels more than anything is the player skill, good timing of abilities and potions, then followed by gear unless the spec is OP.

So, if we are talking about a bis SnB IB handled by an experienced player it will naturally kill a lot of players with less gear and experience, including glass rdps since SnB IB has tools to prevent kiting(more so than 2h IB). Against bis players that knows how to duel it is an entirely different story.

Hence why these discussions are mostly about player perception of the game rather than balance, unless of course something is so blatantly overpowered it cant be ignored(e.g regen WE all these years).

[Farrul]

How upsetting it may be to me but I agree that in a pure 1v1 against snb tanks in general (not just ib) some sort of regen melee spec with high ws and riposte is the best bet to beat the tank.. personally I would like to see solo meta shift from all this regen/deftard to more dmg oriented but I guess one can only dream

Depends on the tank class, regen SM(2h) can achieve 40%parry strikethrough and counter the riposte melee specs effectively.

The issue imho is that healers exists, healing/detaunt meta is so overpowered in that other archetypes need some sort of sustain or a damage increase across the board(crits are heavily nerfed in ror).
I wouldnt mind if all the regen was taken out or nerfed heavily, but healers like *cough* hybrid shamans would need to be checked and pass a few balance nerfs, unless the plan is for every roamer to reroll a shaman.

[jafh123]

Why would anyone want to fight SnB tank in first place? For healers, offensive speced SnB IB is no threat. Range dps has tools to kite him and run away. Tanks has enough armor, toughmes and regen to 1v1 him. On small scale most IBs run 2H for on demand KD anyway. In WBs IB stack toughnes /wounds. So in what scenario is offensive SnB so deadly? Yes 1v1 with melee dps. Everyone else can either ignore, or run.

Theoretically maybe, practically what determines duels more than anything is the player skill, good timing of abilities and potions, then followed by gear unless the spec is OP.

So, if we are talking about a bis SnB IB handled by an experienced player it will naturally kill a lot of players with less gear and experience, including glass rdps since SnB IB has tools to prevent kiting(more so than 2h IB). Against bis players that knows how to duel it is an entirely different story.

Hence why these discussions are mostly about player perception of the game rather than balance, unless of course something is so blatantly overpowered it cant be ignored(e.g regen WE all these years).

This is what I mean. What I understand the OP is saying is that the lakes are full of SnB IB's solo roaming and killing everything, which is simply not true.

I do roam solo as SnB IB and I do get a lot of solo kills (2258 right now, although this is not 100% accurate cause they killboard counts some kills as solo kills when It shouldn't), so, talking from experience, I can assure you that you won't be able to kill healing spec'd healers (DPS healers is another story) unless they are really undergeared, you won't kill full regen SnB tanks, you won't kill full defensive/regen maras (as mara self heal doesn't get reduced with heal debuff) and you won't kill ranged classes that don't want to fight you.

[Zxul]

Theoretically maybe, practically what determines duels more than anything is the player skill, good timing of abilities and potions, then followed by gear unless the spec is OP.

Depends. Plenty of classes- dps dok/wp for example- don't have a way to deal with kiters, plenty of classes/ specs can't deal with kiting shams/ams, no matter the player skills, etc. That said, those are perfectly killable on the right classes/ specs (still trying to finally catch Angelfuram alone, my closest was on magus where the bastard managed to get away to order mob at 10%). And then there are glass cannon specs trying to solo, and dying in 3 sec to burst. In general, no player skill will help you if you don't have a good spec, and for a good reason- this is an rpg, not a fps.

The issue imho is that healers exists, healing/detaunt meta is so overpowered in that other archetypes need some sort of sustain or a damage increase across the board(crits are heavily nerfed in ror).
I wouldnt mind if all the regen was taken out or nerfed heavily, but healers like *cough* hybrid shamans would need to be checked and pass a few balance nerfs, unless the plan is for every roamer to reroll a shaman.

Its not just a hybrids shamans/ams, other healing classes can spec a hybrid dps just fine, so you would need to nerf all healers. And then nerf all the other classes which have some version of self healing (quite a few). And then nerf all the classes which have some variation of short cd absorb (every chaos/empire class for a start). Then you will have to deal with dmg mitigation specs in general, since those make hp/heal pots lot more effective. And after you finally nerfed likely every class in game, you have to deal with everyone now getting bursted down during kd.

[Farrul]

This is what I mean. What I understand the OP is saying is that the lakes are full of SnB IB's solo roaming and killing everything, which is simply not true.

I do roam solo as SnB IB and I do get a lot of solo kills (2258 right now, although this is not 100% accurate cause they killboard counts some kills as solo kills when It shouldn't), so, talking from experience, I can assure you that you won't be able to kill healing spec'd healers (DPS healers is another story) unless they are really undergeared, you won't kill full regen SnB tanks, you won't kill full defensive/regen maras (as mara self heal doesn't get reduced with heal debuff) and you won't kill ranged classes that don't want to fight you.

Yes ,hence why player perception comes into play, of course SnB IB (as with any SnB tank) is a miniscule part of the roaming community since generally 2H will be more effective. Apart from the bug there is nothing unbalanced with a IB SnB.