Squig and Shaman. Help Shadow Warrior.

[ScreenFofoBan]

the usual "pls nerf X class cause it killed me" / "nerf X spell cause when they use it i die" type of debate, learn the game and git gud fellow

[salazarn]

the usual "pls nerf X class cause it killed me" / "nerf X spell cause when they use it i die" type of debate, learn the game and git gud fellow

Maybe the question is why are shaman players so much more skilled than anyone else. Can't be the passive detaunts/ movespeed/ toughness no other healer gets

[Voldt]

I don't think anyone will take seriously a shaman's opinion on how balanced shaman is, no offense.

Enlighten us with your 100% unbiased opinion and suggestion for a solution then.

If you pay attention to the forums regularly, there is a certain pattern in Order constantly demanding nerfs for Destro classes. Just go through the pages of threads and count.

[live4treasure]

Hybrids dont deal lot of dmg or healing, they are balancig between sustaine and dmg. So they are zero treath to anyone who have some form of sustaine, and cant work with hard burst dmg with healdebuffs. But they are absolute gods of dueling. Same with doks and wp that can kill any melle in duel, even RP can play some snare games and kill people. Problem lies not that much in heal dps specs, it lies in general lack of sustaine of other classes that heals abuse and have guarantied autowin in that scenario. In case of sham aditional problem in that hes basically untouchable uncatchable and punish you for chasing him. Thats why where hybrid AM can be dealt with, sham is abomination.

This is why most solo builds use regen talismans. Sustain. In other words, no, it's not because said classes lack sustain. It's because the players on said classes don't want to make dedicated sustain sets worth 5000 crests and roughly 150g per regen talisman just for soloing.

Those players that do immediately stand out in solo.

[Gladiolix]

Hybrids dont deal lot of dmg or healing, they are balancig between sustaine and dmg. So they are zero treath to anyone who have some form of sustaine, and cant work with hard burst dmg with healdebuffs. But they are absolute gods of dueling. Same with doks and wp that can kill any melle in duel, even RP can play some snare games and kill people. Problem lies not that much in heal dps specs, it lies in general lack of sustaine of other classes that heals abuse and have guarantied autowin in that scenario. In case of sham aditional problem in that hes basically untouchable uncatchable and punish you for chasing him. Thats why where hybrid AM can be dealt with, sham is abomination.

Actually Shaman and AM hybrids can do a lot of dmg and healing. In my opinion the problem with these two lie in the way they do damage, apply 3/4 dots and then kite and heal. The simple rotation does a lot of damage and leaves you many GCDs to focus on surviving and controlling the fight.

After devs removed the burst tactic from Sham/Am, they both in dps spec became more or less hybrids. Only -25% to healing in dps spec but more of your heals from the lifetaps. And what AM lacks compared to shaman in run speed, is more than made up with Arcing power tactic IMO.

I do agree with OP that there are way too many gobbos and it is pretty obnoxious trying to fight parties of them. Needing 3 mdps to kill a shaman is a gear/skill issue though, or shaman is deftard healspec and deals no damage back.

EDIT: Devs need to finally fix WL pets so gobbos have this natural predator hunting them and keeping their numbers at reasonable level.

[ScreenFofoBan]

the usual "pls nerf X class cause it killed me" / "nerf X spell cause when they use it i die" type of debate, learn the game and git gud fellow

Maybe the question is why are shaman players so much more skilled than anyone else. Can't be the passive detaunts/ movespeed/ toughness no other healer gets

if u think all shaman are skilled u are in the wrong, in fact most of them arent and die a lot to anything, only rr80+ sham with good gear can spec dps properly and even, there is many target they cant dmg due to high disrupt in end game and most of the dmg being DOT make them very weak against cleanses (just like AM) thats precisely why its almost only good at stomping newbie solo DPS who still dont understand the importance of not being solo, but again PEOPLE ARE NOT PLAYING PROPERLY so yeah pretty sure anyone barely see that 5sec CD cleanse used on them aswell, thats unfortunate people dont want to learn their class role and strenght in the RVR

[tatupetinati2004]

the usual "pls nerf X class cause it killed me" / "nerf X spell cause when they use it i die" type of debate, learn the game and git gud fellow

Maybe the question is why are shaman players so much more skilled than anyone else. Can't be the passive detaunts/ movespeed/ toughness no other healer gets

if u think all shaman are skilled u are in the wrong, in fact most of them arent and die a lot to anything, only rr80+ sham with good gear can spec dps properly and even, there is many target they cant dmg due to high disrupt in end game and most of the dmg being DOT make them very weak against cleanses (just like AM) thats precisely why its almost only good at stomping newbie solo DPS who still dont understand the importance of not being solo, but again PEOPLE ARE NOT PLAYING PROPERLY so yeah pretty sure anyone barely see that 5sec CD cleanse used on them aswell, thats unfortunate people dont want to learn their class role and strenght in the RVR

So you are saying people who cant solo a shaman are playrs with skills issue? that damn thing will literally put 1000 dots on you, detaunt you, punt you, with that damn speed tactic and thoughness buff they are almost unkillable. Also only AMs can cleanse their dots and shaman morale 1 is sick, making even worse to any mdps trying to kill it. Plus the auto/detaunt tactic. Then you will probbably say "Dont play solo" then why can shamans roam solo?

[ScreenFofoBan]

Maybe the question is why are shaman players so much more skilled than anyone else. Can't be the passive detaunts/ movespeed/ toughness no other healer gets

if u think all shaman are skilled u are in the wrong, in fact most of them arent and die a lot to anything, only rr80+ sham with good gear can spec dps properly and even, there is many target they cant dmg due to high disrupt in end game and most of the dmg being DOT make them very weak against cleanses (just like AM) thats precisely why its almost only good at stomping newbie solo DPS who still dont understand the importance of not being solo, but again PEOPLE ARE NOT PLAYING PROPERLY so yeah pretty sure anyone barely see that 5sec CD cleanse used on them aswell, thats unfortunate people dont want to learn their class role and strenght in the RVR

So you are saying people who cant solo a shaman are playrs with skills issue? that damn thing will literally put 1000 dots on you, detaunt you, punt you, with that damn speed tactic and thoughness buff they are almost unkillable. Also only AMs can cleanse their dots and shaman morale 1 is sick, making even worse to any mdps trying to kill it. Plus the auto/detaunt tactic. Then you will probbably say "Dont play solo" then why can shamans roam solo?

Thats not really what i was saying but u are obviously 100% right, what do u think ? all people dying to shaman are perfectly geared loner who never make mistake, knows perfectly the game and its never their bad position/rng/SKILLS/class weakness/**** gearing/**** RR point spend/0 support from mates/0 consumable or even **** internet connexion for those away from serv who is in cause ? its only because "shaman too strong" nothing else ?
my 2nd point was that not all class are equally capable of soloing, in fact some class like BW/sorc or slayer/choppa are, by their class mechanic itself, very hard to solo with (not impossible), where stealthed class and sham/AM are really good at it respectively cause of their stealth ability and dot gameplay with self heal. So obviously when a BW get into that mythical kind of fight (which is the 1v1) vs a sham there is big chance he will loose its always been like that.

Be honest, roughly, on an average game session, how many shaman DPS are killing u in 1v1 ? pretty sure it almost never happend since 1v1 itself almost never happend in the first place, even loner are playing together but they apparently failed to right click/invit their mates, its too unclear for them maybe, but im curious to see ur log on killboard so we can see how much sham dps are solo killing u everytime/everywhere etc... i personnaly just left the lake with my solo engineer, was in for 1h30 roughly, still no sham dps killed me, by my killboard log, last time a sham killed me was 20days ago and it wasnt solo kill (but i didnt played everyday either)

[Moonbiter]

Tons of SW now. Sc and Rvr.
Some help in need for sure. Waiting for all order to be SW

[tatupetinati2004]

if u think all shaman are skilled u are in the wrong, in fact most of them arent and die a lot to anything, only rr80+ sham with good gear can spec dps properly and even, there is many target they cant dmg due to high disrupt in end game and most of the dmg being DOT make them very weak against cleanses (just like AM) thats precisely why its almost only good at stomping newbie solo DPS who still dont understand the importance of not being solo, but again PEOPLE ARE NOT PLAYING PROPERLY so yeah pretty sure anyone barely see that 5sec CD cleanse used on them aswell, thats unfortunate people dont want to learn their class role and strenght in the RVR

So you are saying people who cant solo a shaman are playrs with skills issue? that damn thing will literally put 1000 dots on you, detaunt you, punt you, with that damn speed tactic and thoughness buff they are almost unkillable. Also only AMs can cleanse their dots and shaman morale 1 is sick, making even worse to any mdps trying to kill it. Plus the auto/detaunt tactic. Then you will probbably say "Dont play solo" then why can shamans roam solo?

Thats not really what i was saying but u are obviously 100% right, what do u think ? all people dying to shaman are perfectly geared loner who never make mistake, knows perfectly the game and its never their bad position/rng/SKILLS/class weakness/**** gearing/**** RR point spend/0 support from mates/0 consumable or even **** internet connexion for those away from serv who is in cause ? its only because "shaman too strong" nothing else ?
my 2nd point was that not all class are equally capable of soloing, in fact some class like BW/sorc or slayer/choppa are, by their class mechanic itself, very hard to solo with (not impossible), where stealthed class and sham/AM are really good at it respectively cause of their stealth ability and dot gameplay with self heal. So obviously when a BW get into that mythical kind of fight (which is the 1v1) vs a sham there is big chance he will loose its always been like that.

Be honest, roughly, on an average game session, how many shaman DPS are killing u in 1v1 ? pretty sure it almost never happend since 1v1 itself almost never happend in the first place, even loner are playing together but they apparently failed to right click/invit their mates, its too unclear for them maybe, but im curious to see ur log on killboard so we can see how much sham dps are solo killing u everytime/everywhere etc... i personnaly just left the lake with my solo engineer, was in for 1h30 roughly, still no sham dps killed me, by my killboard log, last time a sham killed me was 20days ago and it wasnt solo kill (but i didnt played everyday either)

I think you misunderstood what i said, im not asking WP to be unbeatable, i want something (skill) which allows us to close the gap and have a chance against them. And they removed it, no, the game isnt meant to play solo, but shaman, squigs does it, and does it very well. When a solo dps WP meet a solo shaman in lake, with punt, slow and running tactic, do you really think we have an y chance of fighting them?