[PTS] Patch Notes 28/02/2025

[shamallow]

I might be wrong because I'm not an expert with Archmage, but from what I understand with this new mechanic :
- you'll never have improved version of Blessing of Isha, because you would have to build Tranquility x5 with dots (which you don't want to use in wb fights imo), or with the only Hot I can see that is Lambent Aura.
And I don't think I would use spells like Rain Lord to build Tranquility as well.

So the only benefit I see from my tests on the PTS until now is that the new healing spell, Group Hot "Phoenix's Rejuvenation", will be used with 5 Force charges built with Blessing of Isha, I believe.

I'll try to test more things to see what could be done.

[Endari]

Not trash, dealing damage is not the job of a DPS DOK or DPS WP anyway. With a DPS WP or DOK, you take a tank with you and roam in RvR—that’s normal. If a DPS DOK or WP is considered the main DPS in a group while WE/WH, Marauder/WL exist, that's just ridiculous.
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What? You even put DPS next to the WP/DoK and then try to say they are not supposed to DPS? Currently a properly setup DPS WP/DoK as in 2h and DW with BiS gear is a very dependable DPS class with a huge weakness in no counter to range and only minor healing for both its self and maybe someone else if they have the opportunity. Yes this game has attempted to kill small scale groups but that does not mean that people don't still play 2-3-4 man groups where a DPS WP/DoK is really good at.

I soloed my DPS WP(Awen) to 80+ and even with getting blobbed consistently I still enjoyed the gameplay that the DPS WP offered me and this patch completely ruins it, with only a armor debuff for new utility(where is the ranged snare? where is the KD or disarm?), way less DPS, way less sustain and some lame AoE that the game already has way too much of.

As for all the other MDPS classes you mentioned currently a DPS DoK/WP work well with all of them but this patch ruins that as well as I know for sure that I will have to spend every bit of RF/SE to DPS and not have any left over to buff/heal anyone else.

[normanis]

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[Rydiak]

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[Nelly74]

I might be wrong because I'm not an expert with Archmage, but from what I understand with this new mechanic :
- you'll never have improved version of Blessing of Isha, because you would have to build Tranquility x5 with dots (which you don't want to use in wb fights imo), or with the only Hot I can see that is Lambent Aura.
And I don't think I would use spells like Rain Lord to build Tranquility as well.

So the only benefit I see from my tests on the PTS until now is that the new healing spell, Group Hot "Phoenix's Rejuvenation", will be used with 5 Force charges built with Blessing of Isha, I believe.

I'll try to test more things to see what could be done.

Hybrid MDPS classes have enough drawbacks to be balanced, but when it comes to hybrid RDPS, it's complete nonsense. I was expecting a real mechanical change and proper balancing, but the madness continues. It's really a shame they didn’t take this opportunity to make these one-button classes more interesting to play (mine are level 85, and I don’t even use them anymore because the challenge is so low).

[vitaka]

I might be wrong because I'm not an expert with Archmage, but from what I understand with this new mechanic :
- you'll never have improved version of Blessing of Isha, because you would have to build Tranquility x5 with dots (which you don't want to use in wb fights imo), or with the only Hot I can see that is Lambent Aura.
And I don't think I would use spells like Rain Lord to build Tranquility as well.

So the only benefit I see from my tests on the PTS until now is that the new healing spell, Group Hot "Phoenix's Rejuvenation", will be used with 5 Force charges built with Blessing of Isha, I believe.

I'll try to test more things to see what could be done.

I don't think that's quite true.

With our Retribution WBs, we always pre-HoT DPS in our own party and another party before we have a crush, so that's 4x Tranq. I'd also get Phoenix's Rejuvenation running upfront, so that's 5x Tranq and an empowered Blessing of Isha or Energy of Vaul.

However, I do agree that a heal AM is too reliant on HoTs to build up Tranq, and having Healing Energy build Tranq would make sense - even more so since it's part Direct / part HoT.

[ismetto]

Not trash, dealing damage is not the job of a DPS DOK or DPS WP anyway. With a DPS WP or DOK, you take a tank with you and roam in RvR—that’s normal. If a DPS DOK or WP is considered the main DPS in a group while WE/WH, Marauder/WL exist, that's just ridiculous.
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What? You even put DPS next to the WP/DoK and then try to say they are not supposed to DPS? Currently a properly setup DPS WP/DoK as in 2h and DW with BiS gear is a very dependable DPS class with a huge weakness in no counter to range and only minor healing for both its self and maybe someone else if they have the opportunity. Yes this game has attempted to kill small scale groups but that does not mean that people don't still play 2-3-4 man groups where a DPS WP/DoK is really good at.

I soloed my DPS WP(Awen) to 80+ and even with getting blobbed consistently I still enjoyed the gameplay that the DPS WP offered me and this patch completely ruins it, with only a armor debuff for new utility(where is the ranged snare? where is the KD or disarm?), way less DPS, way less sustain and some lame AoE that the game already has way too much of.

As for all the other MDPS classes you mentioned currently a DPS DoK/WP work well with all of them but this patch ruins that as well as I know for sure that I will have to spend every bit of RF/SE to DPS and not have any left over to buff/heal anyone else.

Dude, what role were WP and DoK originally designed for? Please write down their main responsibilities.
I'm not an X-Realmer, I mostly play Destro, but I own almost every character. The problem with WP and DoK is that they are already hard to kill as healers. When they switch to DPS, they can deal more damage than a single-target class like Marauder. This balance is ridiculous.

The ranking of melee single-target classes should be:

1 - WH (defensive-offensive, currently the most effective class) / WE

2 - Marauder only debuffs certain stats of the target. In terms of damage, it is weaker than WP or DoK and has fallen into a secondary DPS role. It only supports the other DPS in the group. / WL doesn’t even need to do anything, it deals damage while simply walking, making it incomparable to Marauder.

3 - Choppa/Slayer
The misconception among Choppa and Slayer players is that they deal small, easily healable damage. They don’t have pure burst damage. Their maximum damage per hit is 400-1K at best.
In our test (80 vs 80), 4x Trivial Blow + 2 or 3x Futile Strike couldn’t even bring a healer class below 50% HP, let alone kill them. And they didn’t even "kite," they just stood still and healed themselves. We tested Choppa as a duo and 2H full DPS.

4 - WP/DoK should be healers! That’s the normal way.

What you want is to have everything. I queue into SC and see 6 WPs in one match. Do you really think that’s fun?
Then should we all roll DPS DoKs? Or should we just delete every class and only play Tanks / WP - DoK / Healers?

[Farrul]

As it is , this rework of the Wrath WP isnt executed well, on the contrary it lost important defence by removing the detaunt , did not receive any gap - closer or anything that would allow it to work better as mdps, the damage is nerfed overall. Hence i wish the devs take their time with this feedback and do not release anything that is clearly worse than the live version. Wrath wp deserved a few buffs for a long time, not nerfs.

4 - WP/DoK should be healers! That’s the normal way.

What you want is to have everything. I queue into SC and see 6 WPs in one match. Do you really think that’s fun?
Then should we all roll DPS DoKs? Or should we just delete every class and only play Tanks / WP - DoK / Healers?

When wp/dok spec into dps they sacrifice a lot of that healing power , hence they can't have everything as you state and need to compensated in dps. When in dps spec it needs to do dps, logically.

Otherwise these specs are underpowered / useless. All specializations deserve to be competent in their given role.

The only dps hybrids that we should be concerned about is the AM/shaman, those two needed to be nerfed in dps not buffed, since they're ranged and players have been abusing those specs for a long time.

[Reivren27]

As it is , this rework of the Wrath WP isnt executed well, on the contrary it lost important defence by removing the detaunt , did not receive any gap - closer or anything that would allow it to work better as mdps, the damage is nerfed overall. Hence i wish the devs take their time with this feedback and do not release anything that is clearly worse than the live version. Wrath wp deserved a few buffs for a long time, not nerfs.

4 - WP/DoK should be healers! That’s the normal way.

What you want is to have everything. I queue into SC and see 6 WPs in one match. Do you really think that’s fun?
Then should we all roll DPS DoKs? Or should we just delete every class and only play Tanks / WP - DoK / Healers?

When wp/dok spec into dps they sacrifice a lot of that healing power , hence they can't have everything as you state and need to compensated in dps. When in dps spec it needs to do dps, logically.

Otherwise these specs are underpowered / useless. All specializations deserve to be competent in their given role.

The only dps hybrids that we should be concerned about is the AM/shaman, those two needed to be nerfed in dps not buffed, since they're ranged and players have been abusing those specs for a long time.

He probably has no idea what the same dps wp is currently down to and how much worse it will get with this patch on the main server. When players scream that wp is already strong enough, I tell them "go and play enough for the dps spec, and especially try solo roaming, and I'll see what you can do".

[Zxul]

The only dps hybrids that we should be concerned about is the AM/shaman, those two needed to be nerfed in dps not buffed, since they're ranged and players have been abusing those specs for a long time.

An advantage of playing a dps zealot, so far not a single post asking to nerf it.