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Rapzel
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#11 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 6:27 am

Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:58 pm
Farrul wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:08 pm
Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:11 pm

Here we go again - WB leaders prefer snb Kotbs instead of 2h, especially when there are sieges or defenses or there is even a requirement sometimes in shield spec for warbands.

Two ways to solve this, remove Great weapon restriction from the Arcing Swing or make the Blast Wave ability to use only with Great weapon.
This is a none issue tbh, SnB knight has Vigiliance and 15% heal. Arcing swing has got a +10 crit tactic and this is too much utility for SnB knight.

Focus on the real thing, why did the devs remove mighty soul? There is no balance justification. Whilst chosen only got CS removed but got runefang mirrow deamon claw and spirit conversion on relentless which it did not have originally.
As i said this affects the balance of rvr warbands, when on one side snb tank able to use wounds debuff in battles and reduce a decent amount of health of many opponents but on the other side it can't
I'll guess you will promote giving a wounds buff to destro then as well?

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nocturnalguest
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#12 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:08 am

Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:58 pm As i said this affects the balance of rvr warbands, when on one side snb tank able to use wounds debuff in battles and reduce a decent amount of health of many opponents but on the other side it can't
What a strawman. 2h kotbs has been meta when city sieges were a thing and there is literally zero problem to run 1 in orvr warband. You invent the issue in your head.

Alubert
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#13 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 9:55 am

Farrul wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:08 pm
Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:11 pm
Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:57 pm

Slot 2h > enjoy wounds debuff
Focus on the real thing, why did the devs remove mighty soul? There is no balance justification. Whilst chosen only got CS removed but got runefang mirrow deamon claw and spirit conversion on relentless which it did not have originally.
ONLY CS removed?
This was the main reason to play 2h chosen.
What drove the devs to take away the coupled with chosen tactics that identified chosen for years and then give it to another class (SM)?
I really don't need Daemonclaw and relentless spirt dmg component (with tactics).
Give away chosen CS, take away Deamonclaw and relentless spirt dmg (oppressing blow tactic component) take away Corruptive Power, give back Knight Mighty Soul.
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Sever1n
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#14 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:32 am

Destro have to use 1 2h bg in wb comp for crit debuff. Dont see why order cant do same with knigths.
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#15 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:37 am

nocturnalguest wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 7:08 am
Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 11:58 pm As i said this affects the balance of rvr warbands, when on one side snb tank able to use wounds debuff in battles and reduce a decent amount of health of many opponents but on the other side it can't
What a strawman. 2h kotbs has been meta when city sieges were a thing and there is literally zero problem to run 1 in orvr warband. You invent the issue in your head.

City sieges it's scenario 24vs 24 battle and real sieges or fortress sieges numbers 100vs100 or more and in such situations 2h Kotbs much more useless than snb Kotbs

2h Kotbs almost dead for now, if compared to the number of 2h Chosens and only 1 reason to use great weapon it's faster punt cooldown for small scale, roam or scenarios.

By the way most Chosens in the warbands of Destruction have shields, they all use aoe wounds debuff by cooldown !

Why can't the snb Knight do this or someone from the Order?

And the question is who is the Strawman here? It seems you've got something mixed up in your head.

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Battlefield
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#16 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 12:22 pm

Sever1n wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 10:32 am Destro have to use 1 2h bg in wb comp for crit debuff. Dont see why order cant do same with knigths.
A restriction may be added so that the Overpowering Swing tactic requires Great Weapon instead of the Arcing Swing

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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#17 » Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:05 pm

Farrul wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:08 pm
Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:11 pm
Alubert wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 6:57 pm

Slot 2h > enjoy wounds debuff
Here we go again - WB leaders prefer snb Kotbs instead of 2h, especially when there are sieges or defenses or there is even a requirement sometimes in shield spec for warbands.

Two ways to solve this, remove Great weapon restriction from the Arcing Swing or make the Blast Wave ability to use only with Great weapon.
This is a none issue tbh, SnB knight has Vigiliance and 15% heal. Arcing swing has got a +10 crit tactic and this is too much utility for SnB knight.

Focus on the real thing, why did the devs remove mighty soul? There is no balance justification. Whilst chosen only got CS removed but got runefang mirrow deamon claw and spirit conversion on relentless which it did not have originally.

I already answered about the +15% healing tactic, Chosen has Tzeentch's Reflection ability wich now gives absorb effect for all party members every 30 seconds 1100 absorb magic damage

About Mighty Soul tactic, only one ability without a cooldown that was affected by the Mighty Soul tactic is Blazing Blade. I did not like it because all dot damage was often cleansed by healers and this was almost the main part of the damage, in other words you sometimes lost a lot of damage when using this tactic.
I don't use Blazing Blade ability at all now because the Knight's main damage is in the path of Conquest and party in the path of Vigilance.

And if the developers decide to bring this tactic back, it would be good if it was in the 1st or 2nd path, then players playing for the Chosen will pay attention to the 2h Knight

Alubert
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#18 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:16 am

Battlefield wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:05 pm
Farrul wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:08 pm
Battlefield wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 7:11 pm

Here we go again - WB leaders prefer snb Kotbs instead of 2h, especially when there are sieges or defenses or there is even a requirement sometimes in shield spec for warbands.

Two ways to solve this, remove Great weapon restriction from the Arcing Swing or make the Blast Wave ability to use only with Great weapon.
This is a none issue tbh, SnB knight has Vigiliance and 15% heal. Arcing swing has got a +10 crit tactic and this is too much utility for SnB knight.

Focus on the real thing, why did the devs remove mighty soul? There is no balance justification. Whilst chosen only got CS removed but got runefang mirrow deamon claw and spirit conversion on relentless which it did not have originally.

I already answered about the +15% healing tactic, Chosen has Tzeentch's Reflection ability wich now gives absorb effect for all party members every 30 seconds 1100 absorb magic damage

About Mighty Soul tactic, only one ability without a cooldown that was affected by the Mighty Soul tactic is Blazing Blade. I did not like it because all dot damage was often cleansed by healers and this was almost the main part of the damage, in other words you sometimes lost a lot of damage when using this tactic.
I don't use Blazing Blade ability at all now because the Knight's main damage is in the path of Conquest and party in the path of Vigilance.

And if the developers decide to bring this tactic back, it would be good if it was in the 1st or 2nd path, then players playing for the Chosen will pay attention to the 2h Knight
Are you serious about this? Are you trying to compare +15% greater continuous healing vs useless Tzeentch Reflection? That ability is dead. It works not on magic dmg but only on magic casting abilities ie only on BW. Additionally it gives free immunity on stun/kd. No one takes this skill.
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#19 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 10:47 am

Alubert wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 7:16 am
Battlefield wrote: Wed Apr 16, 2025 1:05 pm
Farrul wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 8:08 pm
This is a none issue tbh, SnB knight has Vigiliance and 15% heal. Arcing swing has got a +10 crit tactic and this is too much utility for SnB knight.

Focus on the real thing, why did the devs remove mighty soul? There is no balance justification. Whilst chosen only got CS removed but got runefang mirrow deamon claw and spirit conversion on relentless which it did not have originally.

I already answered about the +15% healing tactic, Chosen has Tzeentch's Reflection ability wich now gives absorb effect for all party members every 30 seconds 1100 absorb magic damage

About Mighty Soul tactic, only one ability without a cooldown that was affected by the Mighty Soul tactic is Blazing Blade. I did not like it because all dot damage was often cleansed by healers and this was almost the main part of the damage, in other words you sometimes lost a lot of damage when using this tactic.
I don't use Blazing Blade ability at all now because the Knight's main damage is in the path of Conquest and party in the path of Vigilance.

And if the developers decide to bring this tactic back, it would be good if it was in the 1st or 2nd path, then players playing for the Chosen will pay attention to the 2h Knight
Are you serious about this? Are you trying to compare +15% greater continuous healing vs useless Tzeentch Reflection? That ability is dead. It works not on magic dmg but only on magic casting abilities ie only on BW. Additionally it gives free immunity on stun/kd. No one takes this skill.

Alubert you play 2h Chosen with focus on the Path of Dread

RoR.builders - Chosen or RoR.builders - Chosen

Most snb Chosens in warbands with focus on the Path of Discord/Path of Corruption and always have Tzeentch's Reflection ability and it absorbs all magic damage, even magic dots from AM, Engi, RP, BW, SM, because magic dot it is too magic ability.
it works like IB's Runic shield but for all group.

RoR.builders - Chosen

or sov +2 points

RoR.builders - Chosen

You can try such build for 2h Chosen RoR.builders - Chosen
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Re: Kotbs Arcing Swing suggestion

Post#20 » Thu Apr 17, 2025 11:21 am

They took away chosen cs only to give to sms, gg
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