You Wot removal rant (Black Orc)

[Sever1n]

I played am mainly as healer when i realised how boring dps am gameplay is. I played lion in era where slays was gods. After realizing how boring they are i switched to SW which considered garbage those days, and only Rolg took them into wb or city. Only real class i can say was OP there was SM cos old wods and spirit dmg. I created high elf classes not cos im slave metabuser, i just like eldar aestetics. Wh was created to gank with some players i met those days, and i never abused 5tactics and regenbullets build, and lvled it to max after nerf just of pure boredom. Still pref msw over it. Then i changed to dark elf and created classes mirrrors of wich i didnt have and like. Maybe im filthy sork abuser aswell? Such analises indicates a lot about those who make them.

I remember perfectly what abomination SH was, regen chosens, def WE, def maras, dps shams, 90% parry tanks and other crap so lovely abused by destro. But zero topics from destro how broken they are. But no problem to whine how pretty balanced class is OP.

Atleast have dignity to say real reasons why u want those uwots and selfregens for ib/bg back.

[Mordecaieth]

I played am mainly as healer when i realised how boring dps am gameplay is. I played lion in era where slays was gods. After realizing how boring they are i switched to SW which considered garbage those days, and only Rolg took them into wb or city. Only real class i can say was OP there was SM cos old wods and spirit dmg. I created high elf classes not cos im slave metabuser, i just like eldar aestetics. Wh was created to gank with some players i met those days, and i never abused 5tactics and regenbullets build, and lvled it to max after nerf just of pure boredom. Still pref msw over it. Then i changed to dark elf and created classes mirrrors of wich i didnt have and like. Maybe im filthy sork abuser aswell? Such analises indicates a lot about those who make them.

I remember perfectly what abomination SH was, regen chosens, def WE, def maras, dps shams, 90% parry tanks and other crap so lovely abused by destro. But zero topics from destro how broken they are. But no problem to whine how pretty balanced class is OP.

Atleast have dignity to say real reasons why u want those uwots and selfregens for ib/bg back.

Okay, so you made your elves out of preference, just like I rolled my blorc in 2018 out of preference. Cool.

I did list real reasons, the blorc has no identity or impact in scenarios or wb anymore. Chosen or BG way better choice, always was and now probably always will be.

I've rarely soloed since 2021 when most of my guild members quit the game due to bad balance changes. I still dont see you wot as an OP end all ability for 1v1's. That's not even my focus of this post.

Every tank has their own special niche/mechanic, where as the black orc and SM have nothing but a hindrance of when and where they can push their buttons. SM has the 2h tools, higher damage (lots of spirit), a morale leap which is arguably not game breaking- but there is no other tanks with gap closers in the entire game. So what did black orc get? Three hit combo as 2h & sword and board.

Fast forward-

Three hit combo removed from snb.
You wot removed for both.

The black orc is literally nothing but itself now. And dont get me started on the new replacement abilities, they're a joke in my opinion.

As an aside I'm not a fan of regen builds and never was. I dont think I brought up bg/ib, probably someone else.

[tsyuryu]

i think we should remove the plan mechanic from black ork its just awfull, wasting gcd on a skill to be able to use the skill you need at the moment you need is literally a big nerf compared to other class.

sure you can get buff by using tactic but this cost you a tactic slot, now there was a fun build to play in 2h for warband play where you max parry and grab the tactic BRING IT ON, everytime you parry you can use DA BIG UN that mean if you keep parry you can spam DA BIG UN and do decent aoe but this build got hit to hard by many changes

since the nerf of weaponskill that dont give parry anymore,the remooval of YOU WOT, what happen now is you need to max your parry by all mean to reach at least 60% (or the build dont work) that mean take the tactic who increase the parry by plan, take every piece of gear that give parry ect
but there is also a other problem by mooving DOWN YA GO in the gud plan stance what happen if you run BRING IT ON tactic is YOU CANT USE YOUR STUN, because every time you parry it will put you in da best plan this wasnt the case before and it just made this build impossible to use
also you can forget crit with this build since you need so many other tactic like the one who increase da big un damage, rugged (to not melt since you need to take melee damage for the build to work)
after playing other class i realised that i was torturing myself by playing black ork

now i know nothing will change my suggestion is simple, give YOU WOT to choppa, and also pounce, ty

[Culexus]

Like yourself, I'm an unashamed Black Orc enjoyer. Despite all its clunkiness and lack of viability in the meta, whenever I play an alt, I wish I were playing the BO instead. But with all that said, even I struggle to find a reason to log in and play the class in its current state. I logged in for the first time in ages last week and did a bit of solo roaming to get a krumpin' fix, but that soon lost its appeal, and now I can't find any motivation to log back in again.

SnB BO is great, but it gets boring having to play SnB in all content outside of PvE and solo if I want to provide something to the group. Our 2h off-spec is supposed to exist for small-scale content, providing us another way to play, with more build variety, playstyles, and gear options. But as you point out, with the loss of U Wot (which was always a crutch for us anyway), we have no class identity or ability to contribute in any meaningful way that wouldn't be better with SnB or filling our slot with another tank. We're a brawler tank that can't brawl.

The only thing we can do is hope the devs have listened and we get a fix one day. Honestly though, with all the other stuff they are working on I can't see it happening anytime soon.

[Noslock]

Linecracka,full sov sped proc,Enjoy being a cc immunity and speed bot

[Zhentarim]

I do miss U WOT!?, not only would you look cool as hell growing and they should put that back in on some ability. But losing 15% disrupt was a big deal for 2h-spec and I wish the balance team would look across the board on all 2h tanks and their capabilities of dealing with rdps. Because one of the most fun builds on 2h blorc is being able to guard a mdps while being a aoe-support and that gets hard when you cant build decent avoidance for rdps.

[rady]

I remember when I chose Black Orc as my main class. I wanted to play a 2H bruiser who could guard melee DPS and provide decent damage support. Back then, every piece of advice pointed towards going SnB and learning to guard — at least until you unlocked You Wot!?, which was great for some SC fun. That is, until you hit the hard reality of being a fresh level 40. Then you could revisit 2h once you were in BiS.

You Wot!? didn’t exist on live servers, but in RoR it was a class-defining ability. As Gurdd said — it gave 2H Black Orc an identity.


Was You Wot!? overperforming in 1v1? Maybe — but we all know devs don’t balance around 1v1. And even then, Black Orc was still behind Shamans, AMs, SHs, Chosens, SMs, Magus...

It was later replaced with Chop Fasta and a parry tactic (probably to make up for lost defenses). And while Chop Fasta is a decent ability, it’s simply not worth 13 mastery points. The damage isn't impressive, and the attack speed buff isn’t unique among tanks — Ironbreaker has it as a core ability. On top of that, our main damage ability is still a Three Hit Combo… Still, there's nothing better to take than Chop Fasta.

[Pahakukka]

I remember when I chose Black Orc as my main class. I wanted to play a 2H bruiser who could guard melee DPS and provide decent damage support. Back then, every piece of advice pointed towards going SnB and learning to guard — at least until you unlocked You Wot!?, which was great for some SC fun. That is, until you hit the hard reality of being a fresh level 40. Then you could revisit 2h once you were in BiS.

You Wot!? didn’t exist on live servers, but in RoR it was a class-defining ability. As Gurdd said — it gave 2H Black Orc an identity.


Was You Wot!? overperforming in 1v1? Maybe — but we all know devs don’t balance around 1v1. And even then, Black Orc was still behind Shamans, AMs, SHs, Chosens, SMs, Magus...

It was later replaced with Chop Fasta and a parry tactic (probably to make up for lost defenses). And while Chop Fasta is a decent ability, it’s simply not worth 13 mastery points. The damage isn't impressive, and the attack speed buff isn’t unique among tanks — Ironbreaker has it as a core ability. On top of that, our main damage ability is still a Three Hit Combo… Still, there's nothing better to take than Chop Fasta.

Im not as experienced or dedicated blork player as gurdd,bigun or ris, but i have too have roamed quite a bit with blork (nearly rr86 if i remember right) and i'd like to point out that AA speed buff is somewhat overrun by the THC, as you will AA at the beginning and at the end of channel regardless if you have buff up or not.

I had to make build completely around aa speed/dmg buffs and loudmouth to use the chopfasta, that build works, but is very passive as dmg comes from aa and procs mainly. I wish to see less of this passive gameplay and more dmg moved to actual abilities where player has to press buttons to get the results. My blorkspec kills stuff only by facing in their general direction more or less...

Also da gud plan is now super crowded and i feel like 2/3rds of abilities of 2h blork is locked behind it.

[Fey]

I leveled BO to 81and haven't touched it since. I played the entire time SnB, and lacking a proper single target punt was pure cancer. My dps just had to chew threw absolutely everything to land a kill. It was straight up and down terrible. I thought access to a single target punt was the only thing lacking for BO. I was mistaken.

For me the gutting of Big Brawlin was the final straw. Devs killed the aoe snare meta by nerfing BB, and slice through. This and the morale drop nerf encouraged the melee blob meta that we have seen for the past years. Then there are the sundry baffling changes that have been made to the class since. What more is there to say? Devs are gonna dev.

Black Orc is a boring husk of what it used to be. With the terrible mechanic they have it just makes it that much worse.

[Fey]

At the very least SW and Mara get some sort of passive buff for their stances. BO/SM gain zero ap spent on perfect stance abilities. That is the weakest shiz ever. Honestly it is insulting.

Stance mechanics should be jettisoned and reworked into something that doesn't actively punish the player.