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Deadpoet
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SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#1 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 7:01 pm

Hi there,
this post is only to try and draw attention to a simple fact:

Every other class in the game but the Shadow Warrior has some form or another of SELF HEAL, HP REGEN, LIFE TAP or ABSORB SHIELD.

Obviously those forms are sometimes very slight, major or minor ofc, depending on the archetype. But EVERY SINGLE CLASS OUT THERE has some example of those survivability tools that the SW doesn't have.

Granted, in a large scale context, that's irrelevant. But then why EVERY OTHER CLASS in the game have them.

Although it is every day a more and more frustrating experience, small scale and solo-duo roaming are arguably the most exciting and truly intense experience this game has to offer. If not why is it that it is videos of gameplay that feature duels and 1v1 or 1vX fights are by far the most watched, discussed and polemical?. That's to say that even if in large scale tiny support skills don't count, they do crucially in smallscale gameplay. That's why EVERY OTHER CLASS in the game has those native inbuilt tools.

Some will say that the SW does huge damage and has escape tools and cc abilities. The same can be said of all stealth and ranged classes, and even of some melee ones. Those same classes with comparable tool kits enjoy self supporting skills, sometimes amazingly powerful even in non healer classes.

PLEASE DEAR DEVS CONSIDER INCLUDING SOME SCRAPS OR TINY BIT OF INBUILT SELF SUPPORT for the ONLY CLASS IN THE GAME WITHOUT IT.

Footnote 1: Sorry caps.
Footnote 2: OR, make hp regen items and absorb shield from procs count double for the SW to compensate (just kidding obv, but highlights the issue)
Footnote 3: Yes, I know the pve tactic that heals the SW for a measly HoT AFTER KILLING AN ENEMY. Please don't go there. Thank you.

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wildwindblows
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#2 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:34 pm

All classes can reach regen gear as grimshimmer and fleshrender. İ didnt get your point.

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agemennon675
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#3 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:50 pm

wildwindblows wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:34 pm All classes can reach regen gear as grimshimmer and fleshrender. İ didnt get your point.
its quite easy to understand every other dps have some kind of sustain ability except SW
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Bozzax
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#4 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:53 pm

Imagine playing a rdps with no self kb, no ranged snare, no m1 kb or no anged kd.

Self damage, no mobility and wonky clns burst damage well well I think absorbs obviously should be added to sw clearly needed
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A reasonable RvR system that could make the majority happy http://imgur.com/HL6cgl7

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wildwindblows
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#5 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:04 pm

agemennon675 wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:50 pm
wildwindblows wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:34 pm All classes can reach regen gear as grimshimmer and fleshrender. İ didnt get your point.
its quite easy to understand every other dps have some kind of sustain ability except SW
Did you even try def gear?

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Deadpoet
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#6 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:33 pm

wildwindblows wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:04 pm
agemennon675 wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:50 pm
wildwindblows wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:34 pm All classes can reach regen gear as grimshimmer and fleshrender. İ didnt get your point.
its quite easy to understand every other dps have some kind of sustain ability except SW
Did you even try def gear?
Maybe it's hard to understand:

let me explain again:

SWs can have fleshrender+grimshimner+def gear.
EVERY OTHER CLASS can have fleshrender+grimshimner+def gear +SELF SUSTAIN ABILITIES/TACTICS.

Let's pause for a moment. Let's reflect on the concept of...ADDITION.

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Deadpoet
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#7 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:40 pm

Bozzax wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:53 pm Imagine playing a rdps with no self kb, no ranged snare, no m1 kb or no anged kd.

Self damage, no mobility and wonky clns burst damage well well I think absorbs obviously should be added to sw clearly needed
your irony would make sense if:

1 - magus, herders, shamans, AMs, engy etc, which have similar or even better escape tools as SW, ALSO DIDN'T HAVE ANY SELF SUSTAIN

2 -if self damaging classes with no ranged abilities like choppa or slayer DIDN'T HAVE LIFE TAPS AND OTHER REGEN AND SELF SUSTAIN STUFF.

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Deadpoet
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#8 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:48 pm

Now, if anyone considers that some small absorb or some slight health regen like every other ranged (and not ranged class) has is awarded to the SW will be a game breaking decision by the devs, I don't know what more to say.

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Bozzax
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#9 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:54 pm

Deadpoet wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 9:40 pm
Bozzax wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 8:53 pm Imagine playing a rdps with no self kb, no ranged snare, no m1 kb or no anged kd.

Self damage, no mobility and wonky clns burst damage well well I think absorbs obviously should be added to sw clearly needed
your irony would make sense if:

1 - magus, herders, shamans, AMs, engy etc, which have similar or even better escape tools as SW, ALSO DIDN'T HAVE ANY SELF SUSTAIN

2 -if self damaging classes with no ranged abilities like choppa or slayer DIDN'T HAVE LIFE TAPS AND OTHER REGEN AND SELF SUSTAIN STUFF.
Bw sorc has what self sustain? I mean outside hitting themselves for 1500

Second part it is late so I guesss they don’t have heal tactics, lifetaps or M1:s. They irony would be if they actually could turn off self damage at will
A reasonable RvR system that could make the majority happy http://imgur.com/HL6cgl7

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Deadpoet
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Re: SW suggestion for next dps rework

Post#10 » Sat Sep 27, 2025 10:07 pm

To claim that every self sustain for every class works would be clearly false. To argue about it at all is way beyond the scope of this very simple post and way out of my humble assessment. Again, this is very simple:
BWs have a tactic called emperor ward. Also an ability that returns damage to the target as health.
Sorcs have a Life giving DoT, and an absorb tactic.

They are clearly insufficient? Sure. Let us give them more? Agree.

Sorry, we are talking about abilities and tactics that give self sustain. Efficient or insuffcient.
How many effcient and insufficient abilities and tactics do SWs have? ZERO.

I'm not claiming that self sustain for the SW will cure all the problems and be the perfect solution for anything. I'm just asking ppl to notice this FACT and just THINK ABOUT IT with an open mind. This is not about attacking any class. I haven't attacked nor denounced any class. I haven't even used the word IMBALANCE or INJUSTICE.
Let's stay on topic please.
This post is merely an observation. it's up to the devs to address this. It's not a big issue, granted, I just wanted to do my bit to try and call attention to that fact.

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