Why SnB WP feels unplayable

[live4treasure]

All my analysis and experience in this post is based on WB groups and organized Discord groups with between 12 and 22 players online, filling the rest of the WB with external players until reaching 8-8-8 compositions.

In scenarios, I have tested it both in pugs and in 2-2-2 premades.

So, it is not a problem about composition or organized groups

Have you tried other gearsets? Looking at your setup, your block and parry are extremely low for rvr. I'm not saying the spec is viable for rvr, but I am saying that I think you are heavily underoptimized for it at the moment.

Before this 3+3+3 setup, I was also testing 5 Martyr’s (+6% block; +6% armor penetration reduction) and 4 Victorious (15% chance to apply -130 to the attacker’s main stat and +130 Initiative to myself), which is how I used to play it before the patch. But the loss of Strength and Weapon Skill made my healing absurdly low.

I recommend 5 martyr, 2 darkpromise, 2 victorious (with ring)

[kpihuss]

I’m going to test this week with a full defensive setup: 5 Martyr + 4 Victorious, full armor talismans. The profile is similar to an Invader-geared KotBS.

3862 armor (+496 armor pots)
38.5% + 10% block
21.5% + 10% parry
-2% chance to be critically hit
896 wounds (+110 from liniment and buff)

The problem is that Strength (623+150) ends up being very low, so from what I’m seeing the heals are really small. I’ll keep you updated over the course of the week.

I really hope it works. I genuinely want this to work.

(And the meme... I have to include it no matter what )

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[Rydiak]

Haha that image is amazing.

Yea, I run very defensive but have over 800 Strength before Sigmar's Fist/buffs. I think you will find it much easier to survive in RvR with a more defensive set.
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 872/armory

[Sciberr]

I’m going to test this week with a full defensive setup: 5 Martyr + 4 Victorious, full armor talismans. The profile is similar to an Invader-geared KotBS.

3862 armor (+496 armor pots)
38.5% + 10% block
21.5% + 10% parry
-2% chance to be critically hit
896 wounds (+110 from liniment and buff)

The problem is that Strength (623+150) ends up being very low, so from what I’m seeing the heals are really small. I’ll keep you updated over the course of the week.

I really hope it works. I genuinely want this to work.

(And the meme... I have to include it no matter what )
Sin título.png

Thats exactly what I tried and just decided to go back to wrath . Like if Grace has to be played as full tank devs might as well make it count as an off tank spec and give grace wp a taunt and guard and can take up a tank slot

[Mvl130]

The spec used to be rather straightforward, now you get into endless corridors trying to make it work, and it doesn't really, for the amount of gear and efforts you put into, it feels very underwhelming

[krumhur]

Haha that image is amazing.

Yea, I run very defensive but have over 800 Strength before Sigmar's Fist/buffs. I think you will find it much easier to survive in RvR with a more defensive set.
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 872/armory

I know the post is about WPs but, for the sake of balance, I wonder how DoKs compare to WPs regarding the shield spec since you say that the key is survival.

DoK are built a bit more offensively and, while having undefendable attacks (just for single target essence builders, useless in WB where essence lash is used), they miss a couple key tactics (defensive one + more heals on defense) and also have less defenses from skills (they lack 10% parry).

Having worse defenses, and worse heals, the spec seems much harder to pull off on that class. Playing by the class strong point (offense, crits, etc) seems also not possible since the specs demands strong defenses given it's melee centric role.

[kpihuss]

Haha that image is amazing.

Yea, I run very defensive but have over 800 Strength before Sigmar's Fist/buffs. I think you will find it much easier to survive in RvR with a more defensive set.
https://killboard.returnofreckoning.com ... 872/armory

I know the post is about WPs but, for the sake of balance, I wonder how DoKs compare to WPs regarding the shield spec since you say that the key is survival.

DoK are built a bit more offensively and, while having undefendable attacks (just for single target essence builders, useless in WB where essence lash is used), they miss a couple key tactics (defensive one + more heals on defense) and also have less defenses from skills (they lack 10% parry).

Having worse defenses, and worse heals, the spec seems much harder to pull off on that class. Playing by the class strong point (offense, crits, etc) seems also not possible since the specs demands strong defenses given it's melee centric role.

DoK/WP shield healers have the almost the same problems right now. If the team fix one, will fix the another one too