Suggestion: Cut stealth duration by 50%

[Fey]

Cc locks of any kind are really un-appealing gameplay, and poor game design imo. DaoC has incredibly punishing cc durations, but you can't stun/mez-lock because it's just a bad way to design a combat situation in an mmo. Counterplay needs to exist for virtually every mechanic, particularly crowd control; or else balance goes into the crapper.

I feel like WH/WE are in a decent spot. Stealth duration also feels reasonable. With everyone in the lakes mounted 60ish seconds is fine. Particularly if you spend 45 seconds stealthed and you have to use an ap pot during your opening rotation.

Stealthers need a reasonable amount of time to position and open on their target. 30 seconds is far too short. I could even see a set bonus that increases stealth duration, conversely a gear set that shortens or removes stealth completely for more aoe/crit, whatever. The game should promote build variety.

[Bozzax]

Just dropping in to remind everyone that stealth orginally used to be 30 seconds and you would be kicked out of stealth with a very high probability on receiving dmg during stealth.

Per the original design these classes never were meant to be able to disengage apart from their undefendable stagger and self punt.

That was the 'High risk' part in a high risk/high reward toolkit.

Yep it was way more balanced especially old break on damage gave counter play vs poor stealthers

[Panzerkasper]

Stealth ability should go on a 5 sec cd everytime the stealther takes a direct hit.

I have seen WE/WH going into stealth with 3 or 4 people hitting them in melee range. That is just completely absurd.

moral 1 parry so dont attack front attack from behind

Trust me boy, I know more than you. So better get lost with your troll posts.

[Rapzel]

Stealth ability should go on a 5 sec cd everytime the stealther takes a direct hit.

I have seen WE/WH going into stealth with 3 or 4 people hitting them in melee range. That is just completely absurd.

moral 1 parry so dont attack front attack from behind

Trust me boy, I know more than you. So better get lost with your troll posts.

The restealth problem is solved with longer stealth cast. Since stealth is castable on the move it won't change anything else but this.

[georgehabadasher]

Just dropping in to remind everyone that stealth orginally used to be 30 seconds and you would be kicked out of stealth with a very high probability on receiving dmg during stealth.

Per the original design these classes never were meant to be able to disengage apart from their undefendable stagger and self punt.

That was the 'High risk' part in a high risk/high reward toolkit.

Bingo. Right now it's all reward and no risk for stealthers.

[Sever1n]

Groups of whwe is old story and it is not an exuse for nerf that will not fix any issues that those clases have nowadays. Mechanic was nerfed over the years and lost a lot of tricks it had, dont see any toxins in its current state.

[eigner93]

I dont think the mechanic should be nerfed, but the counterplay should be introduced. Chance to break on damage or stealth breaks after a certain amount of damage or increased stealth detection if there is 2 or more stealther around.

[Farrul]

Nerfing the core mechanic to compensate for the balance mistakes introduced in the MDPS patch feels like a desperate call.

Or how about addressing the real balance problems introduced in the patch which made especially the Witch Elf abominable. Ignoring the real elephant in the room and instead attempt to fix something which doesn't need to be fixed is not a good ''solution''.

Imho don't give the devs more bad ideas and let them sort out this stealth class gank meta mess, they themselves caused with the 18/12/2025 mdps patch.

[Vance]

Stealth ability should go on a 5 sec cd everytime the stealther takes a direct hit.

I have seen WE/WH going into stealth with 3 or 4 people hitting them in melee range. That is just completely absurd.

Another option would be the DAoC way:

Only can get into stealth while NOT in combat!
(that does not apply to Vanish)

Would fix a lot of issues people have with the archetype, without nerfing the whole class in itself.

[culland]

Changing it to break on hit would break the idea of slipping behind the back lines. What about keeps? Just spam the door and now nobody can get in. Its already pretty difficult to sneak into a keep with a bunch of people in it.

At least disagree with what was suggested. No one suggested AoE should break stealth. And its not difficult to sneak into a keep.