Nerf WH/WE into the ground

[FeelFreeToDie]

Still no justifying comments about this video? Weird :>

[Lescargo]

Everybody whinning about the def spec not the Offencive spec https://youtu.be/6Yw7MHdKKBU?si=v8gD223t6XJ3qIeN

Victorius + armor tali + regen ring - "offencive", - crit dmg pocket. It's a low geared def WE

It's a low geared def WE but pretty smart builded, going for extra wounds/parry but still some str talis and also that melee power combo. it's a nice build before sovereign.

The fun part is dude running renown turron (straight -60 to a stat) and not even using the pvp health pot x)

And also running in circle so hard around target at the point he hit sometimes face the target, wich is a non sense. the point to run in circle is to reach rear and the back, when you have the back there's no point to keep moving if your target not turning x)

anyway that video prove you just need a "bit" of brain, a little experience and no bis gear to shine as a def WE.

We could also talk about some guys in the video that are veterans of the server and still messing and trolling lol..

[Krima]

Everybody whinning about the def spec not the Offencive spec https://youtu.be/6Yw7MHdKKBU?si=v8gD223t6XJ3qIeN

Very low dmg WE IMO, auto atacks for sub 100 dmg. The way I see is a player with regen gear versus one without.

BOTH players on regen gear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILWlqcwlYh8

Just delete all the regen gear from game, chest, rings, egg 100+, renown. Wouldnt make a difference.

[Avanos]

I think its about time we rename this thread to:

"Nerf WE into the ground"

Since this is what it has devolved into.

[rorswar]

I think its about time we rename this thread to:

"Nerf WE into the ground"

Since this is what it has devolved into.

Or we could call it:

“All WE players pretend nothing is broken about this class”

[Narfii]

I think its about time we rename this thread to:

"Nerf WE into the ground"

Since this is what it has devolved into.

Or we could call it:

“All WE players pretend nothing is broken about this class”

The totally broken....solo class. Still pretty bad in wb play.

Even in solos, the class is high A or low S tier. There's other classes that are "better". So if y'all really wanna get into solo balances there's way more things that would need to change than "nerf elf".

Between the calls of things like feinted positioning and kd out of stealth being unbalanced, and the people saying you should get punished for stealthing near other stealthers....I don't think anyone here actually knows what balance is. Classes being capable of things others are not is not necessarily unbalance, it's a feature.

I would rather see buffs to most classes than nerfs to any.

[nocturnalguest]

The totally broken....solo class. Still pretty bad in wb play.

Even in solos, the class is high A or low S tier. There's other classes that are "better". So if y'all really wanna get into solo balances there's way more things that would need to change than "nerf elf".

Between the calls of things like feinted positioning and kd out of stealth being unbalanced, and the people saying you should get punished for stealthing near other stealthers....I don't think anyone here actually knows what balance is. Classes being capable of things others are not is not necessarily unbalance, it's a feature.

I would rather see buffs to most classes than nerfs to any.

Well, nice words btw. Greatly said.

Add up a bit for summary - good solo pick (not greatest), very solid group pick, very niche warband pick overally incredibly suboptimal.

/shrug

As for rest of discussion is just, i dunno, why so much hatred lads? Let it be

[Narfii]

The totally broken....solo class. Still pretty bad in wb play.

Even in solos, the class is high A or low S tier. There's other classes that are "better". So if y'all really wanna get into solo balances there's way more things that would need to change than "nerf elf".

Between the calls of things like feinted positioning and kd out of stealth being unbalanced, and the people saying you should get punished for stealthing near other stealthers....I don't think anyone here actually knows what balance is. Classes being capable of things others are not is not necessarily unbalance, it's a feature.

I would rather see buffs to most classes than nerfs to any.

Well, nice words btw. Greatly said.

Add up a bit for summary - good solo pick (not greatest), very solid group pick, very niche warband pick overally incredibly suboptimal.

/shrug

As for rest of discussion is just, i dunno, why so much hatred lads? Let it be

I think 1 in a wb is probably optimal. The damage isn't bad and morale pumps/drains can be good. It just doesn't contribute anything BUT damage. 1 aoe debuff (that's bad anyways), little cc, small toolbox.

This was the real failure of the mdps. The devs didn't seem to understand the role of the class in wb. Stealth classes are control classes and it should've been treated as an aoe debuff/interrupt/rend class.

[nocturnalguest]

I think 1 in a wb is probably optimal. The damage isn't bad and morale pumps/drains can be good. It just doesn't contribute anything BUT damage. 1 aoe debuff (that's bad anyways), little cc, small toolbox.

This was the real failure of the mdps. The devs didn't seem to understand the role of the class in wb. Stealth classes are control classes and it should've been treated as an aoe debuff/interrupt/rend class.

Absolutely.

Yes, you can build an oRvR party based on that, pumps/drains and synergies for morales are surely great to play around with. Incredibly rarely happens nowdays as boring orvr washed away almost all organised forces. Surely there is a potential to get 1 WE into WB and build something very fancy around it.

Also i fully agree and said it myself before/after mdps patch in millions of WE threads that you cant "balance" (=nerf) this class around its solo capabilities, need to invent its unique identity (had some fancy forum discussion about that with Farrul iirc) first and define its role in different game environments. Pump/drain is too meh as wb identity, i believe need something more than that, be it aoe debuff/interrupt/rend or something way more out of box.

Im absolutely convinced that its very lame to call for WE/WH nerfs then its such a complex issue with those classes. Despite what some may consider as "toxic" solo performance for WE/WH, its definitely no go to have "serious balance discussions" according to how they beat some people in the lakes while roaming.