BUFF the BG already

[Izil]

As 2h BG which is supposed to be THE 2h tank, they buffed SnB instead i believe? doesnt make any sense and BG arguably requires the most skill of all classes yet they nerf the 2h damage to hit like wet noodle. I dont get it.

[Slowbro]

BG is very good at tanking. No buff needed tanks are not supposed to be DPS. Tanks just need to tank stuff. If you want to do DMG play a DPS and die like a man. Can't have immortal tanks that kill everything running around.

[Sanctific]

BG is very good at tanking. No buff needed tanks are not supposed to be DPS. Tanks just need to tank stuff. If you want to do DMG play a DPS and die like a man. Can't have immortal tanks that kill everything running around.

All tanks already do it...I personally play near-bis (annuli & such, but grind for vic rings continues every now and then lol) geared chosen & kotbs (well, as alts, dont really main them) and they have 0 issues whatsoever to dish out impressive dps. IB can burst the crap out of people with easy as well, SM & BG...well, the former has steady 1.1-1.2k dps in DPS gear in ST (the best amongst all tanks in fact, 1k+ thats the result of DPS classes actually) and the latter may kill a cloth wearer in literally 3 GCDS (2.5-3.5 crits rock lol).

So, keeping in mind the above - why deprive BG of the same/similar?

[Slowbro]

Ok Sanctific that just means all other Tanks need a nerf of their damage but BG still does not need a buff.

[Sanctific]

Ok Sanctific that just means all other Tanks need a nerf of their damage but BG still does not need a buff.

Do you care to explain why? As in, with tangible & practical arguments supported by reasoning based on current meta?
Like, "because a DPS chosen(s) can be a carry DPS in a WB" (a hint: he cant, a chosen deals just a fraction of AOE dps that other dps-ers do and most of it is fluff) or "a DPS SM breaks balance in small scale 6s" (a hint again: he doesnt, a DPS-built sm will die in a matter of seconds since he needs to guard still and if built for dps - he will lose on def stats, which will get him killed faster than a person he guards).

Otherwise your message sounds like "I'm super biased and since I believe that things should work in a specific way with no alternatives - my opinion is the only one correct. If you have different opinion - refer to the statement about my opinion".

[Hellfireuzu]

Well honestly, BG is underpowered nowadays.

Compare it just to other Destro tanks. Why should I play BG over BO or Chosen?

Previously it had some edges over other tanks on Destro side (in form of slightly higher damage and perhaps the regeneration skill?).

If you are denying the 2h tanks the ability to deal any kind of serious damage then I don't understand why healer classes should be able to deal damage when specced to? (You are undergoing the same commitment, losing toughness/armor to gain strength having a very specific set of masteries/talents + needing a set of equipment to support that play style).

I don't think that damage boost is needed for BG per say but I think that 2h tanks (overall) are sorely lacking a reason to play 2h at all.
I think for example that it could be a very nice dynamics for 2h to be effective against SnB tanks.
As for the BG itself,.. Giving it something to distinguish it from other tanks is needed

[gisborne]

If you are denying the 2h tanks the ability to deal any kind of serious damage then I don't understand why healer classes should be able to deal damage when specced to? (You are undergoing the same commitment, losing toughness/armor to gain strength having a very specific set of masteries/talents + needing a set of equipment to support that play style).

I don't believe that 2h tanks shouldn't deal any decent damage, but the comparison to DPS healers is false. A 2h tank retains all of their most important core tanking abilities other than HtL. They trade survivability for increased damage. DPS healers completely give up their primary function, only retaining their ability to rez.

[Demonito]

IB aoe spell uses AP improving with grudges, the same for BG would be great

[Hellfireuzu]

If you are denying the 2h tanks the ability to deal any kind of serious damage then I don't understand why healer classes should be able to deal damage when specced to? (You are undergoing the same commitment, losing toughness/armor to gain strength having a very specific set of masteries/talents + needing a set of equipment to support that play style).

I don't believe that 2h tanks shouldn't deal any decent damage, but the comparison to DPS healers is false. A 2h tank retains all of their most important core tanking abilities other than HtL. They trade survivability for increased damage. DPS healers completely give up their primary function, only retaining their ability to rez.

The skills at your disposal and play style have to change significantly and the amount of survivability you trade is SIGNIFICANT.
You also usually lose access to some of the more important skills that are shield dependant. While you might be keeping a challenge (which I assume is the important one you talk about) it could be nerfed if that's the point. If you are talking about keeping guard, well that one is heavily nerfed for you as you lose so much survivability... (So if you think they are somewhere around the same thing, they are not).

[Slowbro]

If tanks are now DPS and healers are DPS what's the point of even playing a DPS class? You guys just want the good stuff without the bad stuff . Typical wow players.