Shield Warrior Priest underperformance even with BiS gear

[Mvl130]

The only thing that would make shield spec good in warbands is Sigmar's Will, as far as I'm concerned, which maybe can result in good numbers, sure, not much beyond these

[gyps]

I have a crazy idea that would reinforce the melee support identity instead of just buffing numbers.

Make every Shield WP melee ability affect up to 2 targets in AOE (cone)

The important part is this:

* If the attack successfully hits an enemy, the ability works exactly as it does now, with its full healing/lifetap potential calculated over the strongest hit / higher damage.
* If no enemy is hit (out of range, no target selected, target defended, etc.), the skill still activates, but with a reduced “support” version of its effect.

Examples:

* Sigmar’s Fist could still provide its Strength buff to nearby allies.
* Benediction could still apply a weaker absorb.
* Other support abilities could still trigger their utility at reduced effectiveness.

This would solve one of the biggest frustrations of Shield WP: becoming almost useless whenever there is nothing to hit. You would still be rewarded for fighting in melee, because landing attacks gives the full healing value, but you wouldn’t lose your entire toolkit just because you temporarily have no target.

It also creates interesting gameplay. The best Shield WP is still the one actively hitting enemies, but the class always contributes something during pushes, retreats, target swaps or when enemies are kiting.

The identity remains “melee healer”, but the gameplay becomes much smoother and less binary...same can be applied to dok.

[Sciberr]

Hyped for next grace wp buff

[kpihuss]

The result from the last week. I was not able to post it before


Weekly Shield WP

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Period: 10/07 to 13/07

Global dataset:
Scenarios downloaded:      2,039
Scoreboard entries:       48,512
Sigmar's Will detections:    333
Scenarios with Shield WP:     144

Level 40 detected Shield WP entries:  53
Level 40 detected Shield WP players:  10

Strict same-scenario Sigmar's Will entries:
Entries: 22
Players: 7

After healing > damage filter:
Entries: 21
Players: 7

Comparable entries vs Order healers:
Entries:   20
Players:    7
Scenarios: 20

Filters used

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Shield WP healer entry:

* Level 40
* Warrior Priest
* Sigmar's Will damage confirmed inside the same scenario
* Healing > damage
  

Comparison rules

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Order healer comparison:

* Only Order healers
* WP, AM, RP
* Shield WP entries excluded from the Order healer average
* Entries with no other Order healer are excluded from relative healer comparisons

DPS comparison:

* Level 40 active DPS in the same scenarios
  

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Heal%     = Shield WP Heal/min vs other Order healers
HealO%    = Shield WP Heal others/min vs other Order healers
ProtO%    = Shield WP protection to others vs other Order healers
ProtRecv% = Shield WP protection received vs other Order healers
Deaths%   = Shield WP deaths vs other Order healers
Dmg%      = Shield WP damage vs average active DPS
KillDmg%  = Shield WP kill damage vs average active DPS kill damage

One SC is excluded from the relative healer comparison because Sxxxxxx was the only Order healer in that scenario.

Global result

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SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%  HealO/min  HealO%
20   7  71.5  35.0%  11.10k    52.3%  8.77k      46.3%

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Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  Kill%  Dmg/Heal
28.57k  34.6%  8.74k    39.2%     30.6%  35.4%

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ProtO/min  ProtO%  ProtRecv/min  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%  Res  SelfProt
1.65k      47.0%   3.99k         241.6%     1.4     210.7%   0.5  64.0%

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Player   SC  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
Axxxxx    7  84.0  28.6%  16.01k    62.1%   12.57k     54.1%
Dxxxxx    3  71.0   0.0%   8.29k    33.1%    7.44k     33.2%
Gxxxxxx   3  49.7  66.7%   4.57k    19.1%    2.32k     10.9%
Sxxxxxx   3  77.7  66.7%  18.59k   157.8%   15.23k    150.3%
Lxxxxxx   2  81.0  50.0%   2.97k    18.3%    2.05k     14.5%
Bxxxxx    1  44.0   0.0%   8.79k    65.2%    7.80k     59.7%
Zxxxxx    1  41.0   0.0%   0.84k     5.2%    0.53k      3.9%

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Player   Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%
Axxxxx   33.71k  41.3%  10.82k   45.4%     53.1%   483.3%
Dxxxxx   34.81k  26.4%  13.32k   45.5%     40.4%    71.1%
Gxxxxxx  18.16k  22.8%   5.02k   19.1%     31.6%   165.3%
Sxxxxxx  44.97k  71.1%  10.39k   81.7%     39.1%   613.3%
Lxxxxxx  16.72k  23.0%   4.68k   27.4%     50.2%   145.2%
Bxxxxx    5.68k  13.4%   3.13k   30.9%        -     320.4%
Zxxxxx    2.50k   3.7%   0.42k    1.4%      0.0%     0.0%

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Player   Deaths  Deaths%  Res
Axxxxx     1.1    112.7%   0.3
Dxxxxx     1.3    571.4%   1.3
Gxxxxxx    2.0    189.5%   0.3
Sxxxxxx    1.0    500.0%   0.3
Lxxxxxx    2.5    666.7%   0.0
Bxxxxx     0.0       -     2.0
Zxxxxx     1.0    200.0%   0.0

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Day    SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%  HealO%
10/07   3   2  73.0  33.3%  12.96k    65.2%  65.0%
11/07  12   4  79.6  33.3%  12.65k    59.4%  51.1%
12/07   3   2  57.0  66.7%   7.23k    27.1%  23.0%
13/07   2   2  42.5   0.0%   4.81k    32.6%  31.5%

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Day    Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
10/07  33.5%   61.3%    36.1%    75.7%     0.7    375.0%
11/07  40.4%   39.7%    46.9%   432.6%     1.4    189.9%
12/07  28.2%   35.6%    60.3%   202.5%     2.3    247.1%
13/07   7.4%    8.9%    58.3%   142.8%     0.5    200.0%

By RR bracket

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RR     SC  WP  Win%    Heal/min  Heal%  HealO%
40-49   3   3    0.0%   4.49k    27.4%  22.3%
50-59   2   1  100.0%   4.93k    18.9%  12.1%
70-79   6   2   33.3%  13.44k    73.0%  69.6%
80-89   9   2   33.3%  13.11k    55.5%  48.3%

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RR     Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
40-49  13.3%   11.6%    33.5%    89.6%     0.7    200.0%
50-59  23.6%   21.0%    51.3%   362.8%     2.5    187.5%
70-79  40.9%   56.5%    40.1%   182.3%     1.2    538.5%
80-89  37.6%   42.3%    52.7%   425.9%     1.4    165.6%

By scenario size

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Players  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
12-17     1   1   8.79k     65.2%   59.7%
18-23     1   1   0.84k      5.2%    3.9%
24        1   1  25.82k    208.7%  238.3%
25-35     4   4   8.05k     50.2%   38.1%
36+      13   5  11.87k     48.4%   42.9%

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Players  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
12-17    13.4%   30.9%       -     320.4%        -
18-23     3.7%    1.4%     0.0%      0.0%    200.0%
24       76.3%  343.6%   121.4%    150.5%        -
25-35    36.9%   19.0%    37.8%    490.6%    154.6%
36+      34.5%   44.1%    47.6%    199.6%    231.2%

By number of Order healers

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Order healers  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%  HealO%
<=3             4   4  10.27k    63.8%  60.9%
4-5            11   4   9.94k    44.6%  36.1%
6+              5   3  14.31k    62.0%  59.9%

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Order healers  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
<=3            32.2%   42.1%    68.4%    139.8%    150.0%
4-5            33.3%   37.2%    48.6%    269.5%    194.6%
6+             37.0%   41.7%    39.5%    247.5%    383.0%

Short reading

The final comparable sample is smaller, but cleaner:

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Comparable Shield WP healer entries: 20
Players: 7
Scenarios: 20

The global result is:

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Heal/min vs other Order healers:        52.3%
Heal others/min vs other Order healers: 46.3%

Damage vs average active DPS:           34.6%
Kill damage vs average active DPS:      39.2%

Protection to others vs Order healers:  47.0%
Protection received vs Order healers:  241.6%
Deaths vs Order healers:               210.7%

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Weekly Shield WP report

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Period: 17/07 to 19/07

Global dataset:
Scenarios downloaded:        2,180
Scoreboard entries:         42,753
Sigmar's Will detections:      676
Scenarios with Shield WP:       226

Level 40 period-detected Shield WP entries:
Entries: 197
Players: 15

Strict same-scenario Sigmar's Will entries:
Entries: 96
Players: 13

After false-positive filters:
Entries: 94
Players: 13

Comparable entries vs Order healers:
Entries:   91
Players:   13
Scenarios: 87

Filters used

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Shield WP healer/support entry:

* Level 40
* Warrior Priest
* Sigmar's Will damage confirmed inside the same scenario
* Healing > damage
* Damage >= 10% of healing
* Damage >= 10% of average active DPS damage in the same scenario
  

Comparison rules

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Order healer comparison:

* Only Order healers
* WP, AM, RP
* Shield WP entries excluded from the Order healer average
* Entries with no other Order healer are excluded from relative healer comparisons

DPS comparison:

* Level 40 active DPS in the same scenarios

Percent columns:
Heal%     = Shield WP Heal/min vs other Order healers
HealO%    = Shield WP Heal others/min vs other Order healers
ProtO%    = Shield WP protection to others vs other Order healers
ProtRecv% = Shield WP protection received vs other Order healers
Deaths%   = Shield WP deaths vs other Order healers
Dmg%      = Shield WP damage vs average active DPS
KillDmg%  = Shield WP kill damage vs average active DPS kill damage

Percent columns use aggregate mean-to-mean comparison inside each group. This avoids one scenario where the comparison healer has near-zero output distorting the whole table.

Global result

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SC  WP  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
91  13  79.4  38.5%  16.79k    105.8%  12.51k     94.1%

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Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  Kill%  Dmg/Heal
34.29k  40.1%  10.40k   36.8%     30.3%  26.6%

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ProtO/min  ProtO%  ProtRecv/min  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%  Res  SelfProt
1.31k      46.4%   5.26k         234.9%     1.2     120.4%   0.3  69.0%

By player

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Player       SC  RR    Win%   Heal/min  Heal%   HealO/min  HealO%
Sxxxxxx      28  79.1  50.0%  22.64k    118.1%  17.66k     109.2%
Rxxxxx       15  90.0   6.7%  18.57k    185.1%  14.29k     169.6%
Sxxxxxxxx-2  13  83.0  30.8%  13.07k     76.9%   9.41k      65.0%
Cxxxxxxx      9  71.7  22.2%  17.33k    105.7%  12.81k      93.0%
Rxxxxxxx      6  60.0  50.0%   9.47k     58.0%   6.56k      48.1%
Kxxxxx        5  85.0  80.0%  16.35k     92.0%   9.30k      64.7%
Axxxxx        4  84.5  50.0%  16.50k    131.4%  11.47k     117.5%
Dxxxxx        4  71.0  50.0%   2.94k     20.5%   1.76k      14.5%
Uxxxx-2       3  82.0  66.7%   8.79k     66.2%   7.17k      65.9%
Gxxxxxxx      1  61.0   0.0%   8.06k     67.1%   6.12k      55.9%
Sxxxxxxxx-1   1  75.0 100.0%  16.87k     86.0%  11.58k      74.5%
Uxxxx-1       1  82.0   0.0%  11.91k     85.0%   7.10k      58.4%
Wxxxxxxxxx    1  66.0   0.0%  10.13k    124.8%   7.04k     112.4%

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Player       Dmg     Dmg%   KillDmg  KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%  Res
Sxxxxxx      41.35k  43.3%  12.00k   39.1%     20.4%   288.2%     1.2     122.4%   0.3
Rxxxxx       35.94k  49.9%  11.90k   52.3%     97.7%   191.5%     0.5      70.5%   0.6
Sxxxxxxxx-2  32.88k  41.2%  13.49k   47.0%    131.7%   225.3%     0.6      76.8%   0.3
Cxxxxxxx     29.84k  30.0%   8.35k   30.5%     18.4%   304.4%     1.9     304.5%   0.0
Rxxxxxxx     15.15k  25.3%   6.10k   22.6%      2.1%   356.8%     1.5     124.1%   0.2
Kxxxxx       28.63k  29.7%   3.98k   14.5%     34.0%   482.0%     1.8     100.0%   0.2
Axxxxx       45.02k  48.3%  12.39k   34.5%     50.8%   118.4%     2.2     135.0%   0.2
Dxxxxx       16.67k  26.3%   4.69k   16.6%     42.6%    35.9%     2.2     122.7%   0.5
Uxxxx-2      17.63k  28.7%   7.09k   22.1%    218.1%    59.6%     1.0     138.5%   0.3
Gxxxxxxx      8.88k  14.2%   5.72k   19.6%    124.6%    95.6%     1.0     100.0%   0.0
Sxxxxxxxx-1 130.79k  76.1%   7.19k   39.7%     94.1%   138.2%     0.0       0.0%   0.0
Uxxxx-1      34.86k  24.8%  12.52k   45.1%     28.5%   155.1%     0.0         -     0.0
Wxxxxxxxxx   19.31k  31.9%   9.61k   40.8%    110.3%    57.9%     0.0         -     0.0

By RR bracket

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RR     SC  WP  Win%    Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
50-59   1   1 100.0%   9.03k     67.1%   49.4%
60-69   7   3  28.6%   9.43k     63.1%   53.4%
70-79  39   4  48.7%  19.09k    104.0%   93.5%
80-89  29   6  41.4%  14.82k     93.5%   80.6%
90+    15   1   6.7%  18.57k    185.1%  169.6%

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RR     Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths  Deaths%
50-59  11.0%   9.2%      0.0%   397.5%     3.0     171.4%
60-69  27.2%  26.6%     15.8%   250.5%     1.0     107.7%
70-79  40.6%  34.7%     22.8%   258.0%     1.5     154.4%
80-89  38.3%  36.6%     87.3%   219.5%     1.0      96.0%
90+    49.9%  52.3%     97.7%   191.5%     0.5      70.5%

By scenario size

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Players  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
12-17     2   2  10.39k     79.8%   70.3%
18-23     6   5  12.66k    252.5%  305.5%
24       68  12  17.69k    105.1%   92.8%
25-35    15   8  15.23k     93.8%   83.9%

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Players  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
12-17    63.9%  65.8%     57.2%    56.1%       0.0%
18-23    41.8%  47.0%     51.1%   193.4%      96.0%
24       39.1%  34.8%     45.8%   244.7%     130.1%
25-35    41.3%  37.5%     47.6%   224.0%      86.7%

By number of Order healers

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Order healers  SC  WP  Heal/min  Heal%   HealO%
<=3            48  10  17.36k     99.2%   88.5%
4-5            37  12  15.83k    107.9%   94.2%
6+              6   4  18.19k    179.1%  177.4%

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Order healers  Dmg%   KillDmg%  ProtO%  ProtRecv%  Deaths%
<=3            39.6%  34.4%     42.7%   266.4%     118.4%
4-5            40.3%  39.5%     51.0%   220.2%     132.6%
6+             42.5%  40.3%     49.0%   144.4%      82.5%

[Mvl130]

So if I read this correctly, on average compared to other healers, less healing, less protection to others, far more protection received, more deaths ; I believe the rr90 warrior-priest is the only one with good numbers

[kleinbuchstabe]

So if I read this correctly, on average compared to other healers, less healing, less protection to others, far more protection received, more deaths ; I believe the rr90 warrior-priest is the only one with good numbers

Believe it or not, but thats exactly what I said right at the beginning, when this shieldbuild class change was introduced: It wont be possible to balance it. Either it will be overpowered or it will underperform. And as far as I can see, thats exactly what has happened, to the one side or to the other, during all the patches and adjustments this class has been through.