Should shield WP/DoK dissapear?

[kleinbuchstabe]

I was against this introduce of a shield build from the begining, so my vote is not a suprise. I still think it ruined the DPS spec, and the balance of the melee dps healer class at all. The idea was fun, but the execution was poor. Or, to put it another way: The class was far more balanced, playable and integratable, before they introduced this shield path. There was a straight melee dual wield/2h class, and you could choose if you want to focus on dps, or on group support. Thats it. And it worked fine.

But i doubt they will just delete their work over many years on this build, even if everyone here would say DO IT.

[coldhunter]

Yes.
Is seems that devs dont have much time for balancing things, unfortunatelly So i don't think they'll find the time to properly polish this spec in the near future.Right now, absolutely no one plays this spec, yet half the sets are created specifically for it... Thats very uncomfy for all players, since you cant gear dok/wp-heal from PvE, for example, and dps-dok/wp dont have off-sov set aswell.
Shield-spec itself is very unfinished, for example only WP has ONE tactic for shield. ONLY ONE TACTIC FOR 2 CLASSES...
So i think that devs must revisit this spec or delete it from game completely, so other 2 specs can finally have normal gearing curve. And, again, as we can see, devs dont have time for everything, so i dont think that they will find it for something that already was "done"

[Demonito]

Ps: Please remove shield transmog to sword for dok, it's unfair for orda
(and fix the shield animation while dok is running)

Hell no, leave fashionhammer alone, there's setting to disable ppl's cosmetics if you're that worried about that (user settings -> server tab), would you want to have weapon cosmetic from Saga event removed too?

Sry I admit, was really happy when option came out
Just annoying in small scale rvr, when you find out dok had shield. I'll think of that option ty
Would still be nice to fix that buckler cordonates

[Cullenn]

In what practical scenario do you envision a grace WP perform better with a 2h than one with a shield? Same question for the DoK equivalent.

Also, sure, we can remove it and make its abilities accessible to 2h/dual wield. We will just have to nerf regular DPS WP/DoK into the ground, to ensure that it does not end up performing two roles at once.

I imagine them doing better since, this class mechanic overall is to heal party/aoe ppl close to him with lifetap damage, with the 2h the damage would be akmplified while also losing shield would make it a fair trade in my opinion, since you no longer would be able to block.

[Cullenn]

No
It's the only fun heal to play in pve, only few changes needed in pvp
Right now spec is either trash or super-powerful, depends on content
The main issue imo : Being forced to hit pet to max lifetap
Lifetap with shield could ignore all armor (with lowered stats)
That way : More useful dps and more targets
The healdebuff is also what made the spec lame since patch
Maybe give back immunity to OUTgoing heal debuff since shield is frontline

What we need is Warlord to match sov for every classes = all spec promoted

Ps: Please remove shield transmog to sword for dok, it's unfair for orda
(and fix the shield animation while dok is running)

Sorry but having a whole spec for PvE and not RvR is kinda of sad, even with BiS gear the class performas terribly, if they bring back how it was before, ppl will complain it is so op and, there are many suggestions to make it great again but honestly the Devs don't seem to have any interest in making it playable again.

[Cullenn]

Shield wp haters hate fun. Buff shield wp!

I don't hate shield WP lol, it was amazing before, but now? Look at that, not even in PvE people are taking it.

[Cullenn]

I said it would be better for them to remove it than to leave it as it is... not that they should actually remove it XD

But without a doubt, shield healers should stay in the game. They are—or rather, they used to be—some of the most fun classes to play before the healer balance changes, and they were well balanced: very strong in melee, very weak when out of combat.

Right now, though, they are in a terrible state. They are trying to turn them into some kind of healer that casts heals while also trying to use lifetaps, which means they end up not being particularly good at either one.

Removing them would be a huge loss for the game.

What they need is a serious rework that makes them strong in melee again and weak when they are not actively fighting. The Strength-based scaling for casted heals should be removed, and ALL healing abilities should work exclusively through activating lifetaps. That includes bringing Sacrifice back. And of course, Sigmar's Will should be removed and Divine Strike should return.

I want to stress again that what most shield-healer players want is a balanced class, with clear strengths and weaknesses.

We do not want a one-man army. We want a class that is actually playable

Yes, you are correct, however look at what it is now, to be honest, i doubt they have any interest at all with making it playable again, there are many good suggestions for this class throughout the forum, just take one of them, especially from you since you like and play with it alot.

[Anderlin]

If shield stays than can we get an actual DPS Sov set? It sucks that WP/DoK are the only classes that don't have access. You know, it would be sweet to have 6% Crit and 15% Crit Damage...

[CountTalabecland]

Looking at how these devs “balance” as a whole, they have no business trying to create new specs. Everything they do is either way over buffed or way over nerfed and then they leave it that way for years despite dozens of forum posts showing their error.

Stick to the 2 mythic gave you.

[Ruin]

Hello community, i am making this post to ask an overall question, should the shield WP/Dok Classes and gear disappear and all RvR ones be refunded? I make this post because after reading excellent posts, expecially from Kpihuss (sorry if i spelled wrong), about the underperforming shield WP even with BiS gear and other posts speaking about DoK and how things are right now, and i agree with Kpihuss that this class is either overpowered or trash, and that even though it gives these classes the possibility to play hybrid, it can do a little of everything but can't do anything really good (except book healing). So my overall question for this is, make the shield skills such as sigmar's grace able to be used as 2h and finish off shield gear? What is your opinion? It also would open WP/Dok to have a proper offensive SOV set since for both classes it is for shield currently.

If the Shield spec would be removed, then there is a need to figure out a 2H healing spec, witch might be worst to create.