WL [pounce] 5sec kd or 0 damage

[Vdova]

Here are 4 examples of me moving the goalposts.

FTFY

Your argument was comparing it to another movement skills as "the elephant in the room".

I guess that elephant is now gone ?

Everyone knows the advantages of pounce, you are the one who started comparing it to another movement skills.

Sure WL is out of guard range, out of healers sight, but mostly hotted. THanks to his insane burst he can kill squishy rdps(who always stand on walls) in a second, jump down, get healed to full, than repeat over, over and over again. 1WL is not a big thread, but I have seen !7! Wls clearing keep walls in 10 seconds.

You forgot to mention that time where 10 WL betrayed the emperor, sold their souls to the chaos and tried to invade terra.

Or that time when they killed the king of the Noldor, destroyed the trees of light and fled with the Silmarils starting the war of the jewels.

I mean, if we are talking about things that never happened, may as well talk them in full.

Eh, are You trying to say I lie here? Sad, but no. It was morning EU time when about 10 destro players(including me) tried defend keep against 1+WB of order. 6 or 7 WLs(havent enought time to count them) jumped on sorc which just died because taking pounce dmg from them, and they cleared other sorcs, shammys, SHs and 1 magus(me) in about that 10 seconds. I have barely escaped to lord room, but WL had enought HP to finish me between those keep champs and charge away, jump down and get heals(had him tabbed).

[Tesq]

i dont think that radically change poucne wold be a good idea, it's k as it designed, and it's k is somelike of uniqie tool (like to see it mirror it to choppa anyway ), the problem lies when it's used as escape tool or anti cc tool. So a CD would be more apporpriate.
About heal debuff if it's so bad not have you can have that add to another skill but it would be better that the out heal debuff remain as it is atm, that skill is a mirror of choppa out heal debuff, if you remove that 1 of order mdps would lack an out heal debuff.

The mara tools should be nerf and then mirror to slayer/mara rather than be copy and paste directly.

source of damage problems of order partys is kobs +10% damage crit tactic/+10% heal crit tactic

IB ancestors fury also

oh , so this mean that this stack with kobs tactic?.....nice, another nice shinning woderfull order thing.....

[bloodi]

You may wanna check your quotes a bit

The "elephant is the room" is a 0 CD compared to other "similar abilities" that have 10-30s.

And all of those "similar abilities" let you run away from enemies while pounces only lets you go towards them.

But when they tell that to you, you then start talking about how great pounces is because there is idiots punting WLs without additional cc and wondering how they can pounce on you again.

Thats what we call, moving the goalposts, once you realize your argument holds no ground, you move on the next one who surprise, has no ground either but somehow along the way you delude yourself into thinking that you are making a point.

You are not, you are just going in circles trying to convince everyone of something that is not true all while ignoring any arugment against it and forgetting to mention them the next time you repeat the cycle.

Eh, are You trying to say I lie here? Sad, but no. It was morning EU time when about 10 destro players(including me) tried defend keep against 1+WB of order. 6 or 7 WLs(havent enought time to count them) jumped on sorc which just died because taking pounce dmg from them, and they cleared other sorcs, shammys, SHs and 1 magus(me) in about that 10 seconds. I have barely escaped to lord room, but WL had enought HP to finish me between those keep champs and charge away, jump down and get heals(had him tabbed).

Oh, i am not only saying that you lie, i am also saying that somehow you are stupid enough to believe that everyone will take the idiocies you are spewing as true.

So may as well blame the Fall of the Eldar on the White Lions, it was the White lions the ones who created Slaanesh so he could feast on the souls of the Eldar and provoke the fall of its empire and the rise of the Empire of Man.

Specially if you are going to put yourself in the history, best fanfiction always relies around on the dellusions of the writer and how cool it would be if it was into the history.

Go ahead, write the tales of how 2 wl with only 1 am hots on them wiped a zerg of 300 Spartans playing destruction on top of the Chaos Fortress, you may as well.

[Joshwa70]

Echoing roar... snare all targets. Five sec cd on pounce. Fixed

[Soulcheg]

You are so negative person....
I understand Your WL is your belowed class. It was my too on live(not as belowed as my WE, but whatever).
I was trying to point on single game mechanics, that cannot be countered by destro. Sure WL is out of guard range, out of healers sight, but mostly hotted. THanks to his insane burst he can kill squishy rdps(who always stand on walls) in a second, jump down, get healed to full, than repeat over, over and over again. 1WL is not a big thread, but I have seen !7! Wls clearing keep walls in 10 seconds.
Show me single class on destro side which can do the same. I was not calling for a NERF. I was calling to make it work as it worked on live, thats all.

If Aza said it is fine, so it is fine.

However I also vote for buffing WL in T4 for incoming insted of outgoing heal debuff.

Aza said it's fine.

[magter3001]

The PvP is real in this thread. More than most keep takes. Most people will agree though that pounce is a good ability, and definitely a fun one. It can be used offensively, to kill someone, or defensively, to pounce away from the zerg.

Most Destro players hate the ability because they have to go against it, while Order does not. If one of the melee classes or tank classes on Destro had pounce, we would hear the exact same discussion except it will be an @thread to the destro class that has it.

[Penril]

This is an Alpha server meant to test a LOT of things, correct?

Just give Pounce to Choppas for a week, then come back to this thread.

[Bozzax]

And all of those "similar abilities" let you run away from enemies while pounces only lets you go towards them.

Not moving any goalposts here ...

The statement above is a total contradiction and would only ever be true if all enemies stand in the exact same spot or if you were limited to pounce to the closest enemy target. Not even with those limitations the statement would be correct in most situations.

Cleaver use of pounce can move you away from enemies as well just like flee or charge.

Working pounce should IMO have a CD like all other movement affecting or CC counter abilities

[Bozzax]

This is an Apha server meant to test a LOT of things, correct?

Just give Pounce to Choppas for a week, then come back to this thread.

Personally I don't like mirroring of factions but I can see your point

[bloodi]

The statement above is a total contradiction and would only ever be true if all enemies stand in the exact same spot or if you were limited to pounce to the closest enemy target. Not even with those limitations the statement would be correct in most situations.

Cleaver use of pounce can move you away from enemies as well just like flee or charge.

Working pounce should IMO have a CD like all other movement affecting or CC counter abilities

So you are basically making a situation where the emeny is completely retarded and somehow makes a route of escape spreading around so the WL can go towards its target then have targets behind him in ideal position so he can pounce to each of them and out of danger.

Because, once again and for the third time, pounce can only be used on enemies, in relies on the enemies, none of the skills you mention rely on the enemies, only yourself and your position, thats is why comparing them is stupid.

So if anything there is no "clever" use of pounce because you cannot magically make appear enemies in the positions you desire, you rely completely on facing retards who position themselves in such a way that let you escape.

The mere fact that you are somehow still trying to say that is as good to go away as flee or charge makes me wonder if you are either have ill intent, lying all you can to get it nerfed or you are somehow braindead.

Both are equally bad imo.