WL [pounce] 5sec kd or 0 damage

[Russiancrushian]

This is how this thread will go...

Destro: WL pounce is broken. Literally set quick keys 1 through = to Pounce and slam your head against keyboard, GG.

Order: Nuh uhhhhhhhhhh! All destro does is complain!

Destro: Seriously? **** crits 95% of the time!

Order: Yeah, well you guys sexy half naked she-elves!

[Coryphaus]

Penril the problem is that if you give pounce to choppas it would need to replace get to the choppa!

Which we cannot get yet but I'm all for testing it and once again this paired with a buff to chopa fasta would make the AoE tree finally viable

[Bozzax]

I write that I consider pounce to be a "movement affecting ability" similar to for example flee or charge and those typically have a 10-30s CD.

Others are Whirling Pin, Agile Escape, Magnet, rift, fetch, TE that also rely on "enemies" and are movement affecting. ALL have 10-30s CDs. (I even listed quite a few of them before not all admittedly).

I say IMO pounce is "similar" and therefore should have a 10-30s cd.

I politely point out to you that what you write isn't true and try explain why (I give up though).

pounce will only allow you to go towards an enemy, all of you, it puts you in danger.

Do you think Magnet/Rift also "puts you in danger" and there fore should have 0 CD?

I'm not saying it is as good as anything anywhere and please don't quote someone else in the thread and write my name next to it.

[Uchoo]

Echoing roar... snare all targets. Five sec cd on pounce. Fixed

Echoing Roar having a slow effect would be waaay too strong lol.

If it was like 20-30% and lasted less than 5 seconds, it might be okay.

[Uchoo]

Guve mar pounce. I'm tired of losers whining. They will never stop. In fact... the only fair thing is to make wl and mar exact mirrors. Please... make that happen. I can't wait to see their butthurt posts th. Or.... we can just live and let live and our crappy class can continue its pounce into mediocrity. If you put a cd on pounce... there needs to be a massive destro nerf to match.

Warrior Priest and DoK were mirrored point for point in their heal tree and are almost perfectly mirrored outside of it. The only things that people complain about are the things that aren't perfectly mirrored. Oh and their heal output and tankiness, some people complain about that. I guess that's moot because it's pointless to run anything besides 2 DoK/WP in a heal comp, only the Tyrant every really made cloth healers workable, and that was nerfed.

I'm sorry that you feel crappy on a White Lion, I can't say I've ever felt that way on my Lion in the past. I've felt squishy, that's about it.

[Uchoo]

Penril the problem is that if you give pounce to choppas it would need to replace get to the choppa!

Which we cannot get yet but I'm all for testing it and once again this paired with a buff to chopa fasta would make the AoE tree finally viable

Why would it have to replace Get to the Choppa?

I don't think it should be on Choppas anyways. It should be on Marauders. That's a point for debate though, I guess.

[bloodi]

I write that I consider pounce to be a "movement affecting ability" similar to for example flee or charge and those typically have a 10-30s CD.

Wihtout ever mentioning that is only able to be used on enemies, not on yourself and that is the key of this whole thing, when you fault to mention the key component of why the skill is the way it is, you are already starting on the wrong foot.

Others are Whirling Pin, Agile Escape, Magnet, rift, fetch, TE that also rely on "enemies" and are movement affecting. ALL have 10-30s CDs. (I even listed quite a few of them before not all admittedly).

So a snare, a stagger with jump backwards (as in, out of danger), two aoe pulls and two single target pulls are now equal to a skill that puts yourself alone in the middle of the enemy.

Live to **** see i guess, are we in bizarro world yet?

I say IMO pounce is "similar" and therefore should have a 10-30s cd.

And that is why i say that you are either stupid or have an ill intent.

I politely point out to you that what you write isn't true and try explain why (I give up though).
pounce will only allow you to go towards an enemy, all of you, it puts you in danger.

Do you think Magnet/Rift also "puts you in danger" and there fore should have 0 CD?

Do you think that propulsing yourself into the middle of the enemy lines is the same as putting x targets in the middle of yours? If you say yes i fear we may have to call the mental health authorities on you, one thing is being dumb and the other is being insane

I'm not saying it is as good as anything anywhere and please don't quote someone else in the thread and write my name next to it.

Lmao, you actually said it, not even a post ago, i am not making **** up, i am directly quoting you, here it goes again:

ICleaver use of pounce can move you away from enemies as well just like flee or charge.

You say such outrageous thing that not even you believe them.

[Uchoo]

This is how this thread will go...

Destro: WL pounce is broken. Literally set quick keys 1 through = to Pounce and slam your head against keyboard, GG.

Order: Nuh uhhhhhhhhhh! All destro does is complain!

Destro: Seriously? **** crits 95% of the time!

Order: Yeah, well you guys sexy half naked she-elves!

Most of this doesn't even make sense and I'm not sure that it warrants a response but here goes:

Does it suck to have 3 White Lions Pounce spam you? Absolutely. You could say the same about 3 Word of Pains or Boiling Bloods on you. That's guaranteed death.

That said, I haven't played a single game where a "charge" ability had less than a 10 second cooldown.

What is this 95% crit stuff? WL's can have a maximum of 8% crit chance. 5% from pet, 2% from axe and 1% from gloves. The only other source of crit is Dirty Tricks (10%) from a knight or the PTA tactic (10%) from a knight. That stuff is in a whole different ballpark of un-mirrored and broken. Be prepared for the rude awakening of early T4 when Order will have 20-25% more crit chance than you at all times (assuming Leading Shots doesn't stack with something, that's what I heard, at least). Chances are, you are being crit by a lot more than White Lions. Get some Initiative and solve your own problem.

Let me tell you something about this game. It's not solo friendly, it never has been. If you are selected by 3 people to die, you're probably going to die, barring Odjira (nerfed), pockets items, pots; most of which you don't have access to yet. Run with a group, get a Guard swap (it has no cooldown, learn how to use it, tanks), Challenge, Detaunt, have your other healer cover you a bit. That's how the game works, as a functional unit. If you are solo, you won't have a very good time, some of the time at least.

[Joshwa70]

I Don t feel crappy on the lion. I have a blast. The chase is the part of the game I enjoy most. In fact... if it wasn't for all the people who are now complaining about pounce telling me how crappy and unviable my class was... I would never know the difference. I think it's time I made a video to show some of these people what its like to play the most op class in warhammer. Ridiculous.

[Penril]

Some people still think we are playing at cr40 rr100. That's why they say WL is UP.

Even if we stay at a lvl cap of 26 for 5 years, they will still think we are playing at cr40 rr100. Just look at all the idiots still posting all their rr100 alts in their signatures.