Swordmaster & Eagle's Flight

[Sulorie]

Yes, you wrote that it is possible, when the same mechanic is used like on other skills. You just can't create something absolutely new.

[Azarael]

Not exactly, but it'll do.

[jojomen]

Why ppl so worry (care) about channeling boosts of Parry buff of SMs srsly.
SM - 18% from RR,25% from EF,5% from GWM + Channeling WoDS +50% = 98%-100%.(only 2H)
Oh no save my childrens too OP.
The same time -
KoBTS Disrupt (21 lvl) - 18% from RR , 15% from GS +Channeling HtL+45% = 78%(only SnB) (free 10% block) (yep with 2 auras that gives him AP - he can Channeling untill got bred of that.
and no one care that he can walk in TONS of sorcs and didnt get hurt from 21 lvl)
Yep its not 100% , but trust me it feels bad to meet him as one of SORCs , DISRUPT king)

[Azarael]

WoDS doesn't stack with E'F because they're both buffs.

[Penril]

WoDS doesn't stack with E'F because they're both buffs.

Are you 100% sure it worked like that on Live? WoDS doesn't buff only Parry; it also bufs Dodge and Disrupt. So it is a different kind of buff than EF.

You know, similar to how Wrath of Hoeth (Spirit debuff) stacks with Heaven's Blade (all-resists debuff) since they are different kinds of debuffs.

If in fact WoDT and EF dont stack then i dont see any valid reason not to increase EF's duration.

[jojomen]

oh so if they doesn`t stack then all of ours problems about SMs with 100% parry SOLVED.
thread in 40+ pages - was closed in one post from Azarael) cheers.
So to make EF last 10 sec duration not so OP thing yep? , or we had others ideas.

(But srsly guys even SM with 40-100% parry what he can do while channeling ? soon or late all of his ap ill drain , or ppl afraid about him PARRY THEM to death? - do like healers - if you are not strong enough to kill him - RUN FROM HIM)

[Azarael]

Are you 100% sure it worked like that on Live? WoDS doesn't buff only Parry; it also bufs Dodge and Disrupt. So it is a different kind of buff than EF.

You know, similar to how Wrath of Hoeth (Spirit debuff) stacks with Heaven's Blade (all-resists debuff) since they are different kinds of debuffs.

If in fact WoDT and EF dont stack then i dont see any valid reason not to increase EF's duration.

Yes, I am sure. The way the RoR stat handler works should be close to live. Buffs wanting to modify stats pass the type of buff that they are, the stat they're trying to buff and the value to buff it by. For regular buffs, the stat goes into a list, and only the highest value in that list is used for combination with other types of buff (morale, career, tactic, renown, etc) affecting the same stat. Bonuses and reductions to a stat are considered separately, so the the greatest bonus opposes the greatest reduction for the final stat.

Hence, E'F and WODS together will give 50% Parry, Dodge and Disrupt because E'F's bonus is masked.

WoH and H'B stacking is a counterexample to this, but to my knowledge this interaction and that of Flak Jacket / Daemonic Armor are the only ones where two linear stat modifiers which shouldn't logically stack do so, and both were well known.

[Penril]

Aight, thanks for the reply Aza!

[Bozzax]

So

They don't stack
Average duration of similar avoidance abilities is near 15s compared to 5s
Other avoidance abilities (even SMs) don't require you use them when you "need them"

(Example Crushing Advance that isn't required to be used every time it comes of CD to be up)

[Coryphaus]

So if i understand EF and WoDS dosnt stack?

So that means that SM cant get 100% parry?

So buffing EF woudnt make 2h "broken"?

So that 20-30 page back and forth was pointless