SC- Should Loosing side get rewarded aswell?

[peterthepan3]

It escapes me how one can queue 4 hours solo, lose everything, and not feel at all inclined to group up!

Agreed with Panzer, and general comments regarding order vs destro mentality.

[Foltestik]

yep no heal sets from sc its reason why mostly only "DPS" healers join scenarios

[NoRKaLKiLLa]

Short answer: no

Long answer: no, make a 6 man

[TheSockPuppet]

>lose for 4 hours straight.
>start crying while cursing the gods.
>calm down after a while and decide to form a 6man team with coms and all that stuff and join non-pug scenarios.
>get farmed for 4 hours straight by peter and his gang.
>wear your monitor as a collar while screaming towards the heavens in agony.

MEANWHILE, IN A FOGGY ISLAND OFF THE COAST OF FRANCE.

>write several forum posts that advocate the formation of 6man groups to maximize gains.
>adjust your glasses.
>twirl your mustache.
>interlock your fingers with each other.
>break out in a diabolical laughing fit.

[peterthepan3]

>lose for 4 hours straight.
>start crying while cursing the gods.
>calm down after a while and decide to form a 6man team with coms and all that stuff and join non-pug scenarios.
>get farmed for 4 hours straight by peter and his gang.
>wear your monitor as a collar while screaming towards the heavens in agony.

MEANWHILE, IN A FOGGY ISLAND OFF THE COAST OF FRANCE.

>write several forum posts that advocate the formation of 6man groups to maximize gains.
>adjust your glasses.
>twirl your mustache.
>interlock your fingers with each other.
>break out in a diabolical laughing fit.

Them Fusion guys aren't even a real premade, so as long as you're not running a "Mickey Mouse comp" (as we like to call them, being oh-too-familiar with them *cough* dps wp *cough*), you should be fine.

[Druin]

Sounds like a l2p issue.

[altharion1]

I'd prefer to see better rewards for consecutively winning SCs tbh

Something like a stacking buff that increases rewards emblems/renown/whatever for each SC you win in a row. If you lose it resets back to zero.

[Theseus]

Sounds like a l2p issue.

Hm not particularly. The problem is, if someone doesnt want to do Sc, cause he doesnt like it, but has to do it, because he needs something there, most likely the weapons, it is only natural, that he wants to be done with as fast as he or she can. He doesnt want to bother with grouping up, doing sc over and over and so on. He or she just want to be done with it. So some rewards for loosers are fine I think. If someone prefers sc, or like me likes to do both, in group or as pug, nothing changes for them. They will get the currency eventually and wont stop doing sc. The only thing we do with a system where you are required to do stuff, you dont really want to for a reward you need, is frustrate people. And we have that particular frustration in our jobs in spades i think.

[peterthepan3]

Sounds like a l2p issue.

Hm not particularly. The problem is, if someone doesnt want to do Sc, cause he doesnt like it, but has to do it, because he needs something there, most likely the weapons, it is only natural, that he wants to be done with as fast as he or she can. He doesnt want to bother with grouping up, doing sc over and over and so on. He or she just want to be done with it. So some rewards for loosers are fine I think. If someone prefers sc, or like me likes to do both, in group or as pug, nothing changes for them. They will get the currency eventually and wont stop doing sc. The only thing we do with a system where you are required to do stuff, you dont really want to for a reward you need, is frustrate people. And we have that particular frustration in our jobs in spades i think.

But why should we be facilitating to such a mentality? I don't like doing RvR, yet felt forced to do it so as to get conqueror/genesis/subj on my Order toons. I didn't demand 'loser' rewards in the lakes to facilitate to my playstyle: you suck it up, make a guild, make friends, make a group of likeminded people with a common goal, and work towards it.

I'll be honest: the SC emblem gain feels incredibly tedious and drawn-out. Even if you are with a group and winning 90% of scenarios, it takes an age to get your full set. Don't even get me started on the weapons! So I can empathise somewhat.

[Druin]

I was refering to the sock story and only half serious. No one who actually tries loses 8h of scs in a row.

Loser rewards would take away the motivation to even try for the kind of players you discribed (also I disgree that there is stuff in scs you really "need" to have). On top we would have to deal with afkers in scs like back on live again.