Squig and Shaman. Help Shadow Warrior.

[DirkDaring]

Good observe, but the summary is wrong.

A lot of goblins soloing is due other destro classes except WE are **** for solo. Not because gits are op.

Imho, SW and AM soloing is even better. But classes proportion for order is more equal because of soloing disbalance:
SM > BO
WL > Mara
IB > BG
BW > Sorc
Other classes cant say for sure.

That is honestly one of the worst takes i've ever seen on the forums. Who solos bright wizard? How is def mara not good? Anyway

sham > am
sh > sw
magus > eng
chosen > kotbs

Plenty of solo options on destro

WHo solos as Brightwizard, here ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-LsQsAqBYk&t=580s

[Panzer80]

I would agree they are both popular because they are very strong, but people also like the look. The SH disarm is one of the most OP abilities in the game and it's on perhaps the most versatile dps in the game. I've said it before. ALL physical (non-magic classes) disarms should require a parry and be ON the physical character. Not a janky AI pet zipping all over the battlefield.

[Aluviya]

I don't agree with Magus being the better choice. Since the change of the pet resistance-debuff from being an instant into a 3 sec cast debuff magus is pretty much useless on ST DPS. Also Engineer has Autoattack dmg...

[salazarn]

Broken Classes, destro dont play with anything else, squig is supposed to be the SW of destro but SWs have no AP and cant barely hit, squigs have aoe punt, self punt, slow, disarm, aoe dmg, insane armour penetration, and the running tactic. Shaman is almost unbeatable, need 3 mdps to kill it. Lake is full of them and small scale is ruined by small groups of squigs and shamans. I beg you devs, nerf them. They dont need to be like this and SW doesnt need to suck.

Sorry if this looks like im crying but it get's me tired to go roam, look for a good fight and get smashed by squig and shamans everywhere.

Shaman especially are fun killers. If your not supported by heals and you get within 100ft of a shaman you're essentially gonna take like 7k or more damamge in 3 globals. Meanwhile you're also not going to be able to kill them cos they are insanely tanky and also the best kiter ingame.
So people just do nothing. They either blob in large groups to roll over the shams or shrug and say maybe i should do an sc

[Tisaya]

There's no solution. If you meet a Shaman or a SH in lake and there's no healer around, you die. Even with a healer around you will probably die, because the amount of damage they can dish out + permanent 50% heal debuff will make most healers struggle.

Cherry on top, there are absolutely ungodly numbers of shamans and SH running around, whole premades of shamans. And i've seen entire sc made of nothing but SH and shamans.

[reynor007]

Broken Classes, destro dont play with anything else, squig is supposed to be the SW of destro but SWs have no AP and cant barely hit, squigs have aoe punt, self punt, slow, disarm, aoe dmg, insane armour penetration, and the running tactic. Shaman is almost unbeatable, need 3 mdps to kill it. Lake is full of them and small scale is ruined by small groups of squigs and shamans. I beg you devs, nerf them. They dont need to be like this and SW doesnt need to suck.

Sorry if this looks like im crying but it get's me tired to go roam, look for a good fight and get smashed by squig and shamans everywhere.

as far as I know, at the moment SW can kill an average Sham who is dressed as a sov/warlord, but unfortunately, no matter how good you are, you will not be able to kill a bis sham, he simply has too much HP, and you will also not be able to kill a shama who has 45rr TB There's no way to kill a good rSH.

https://youtu.be/3c8EuQpCx2M?si=kc_4L8yfdq80PG-0
2:30 In this video there are several fights against shamans, and small tips on how to act correctly

[Speedyluck]

squig, shaman dps and sw they all need BIG nerfs not buffs, they have a way more ez time the rest, the risk/reward ratio is too good.

[Panel]

squig, shaman dps and sw they all need BIG nerfs not buffs, they have a way more ez time the rest, the risk/reward ratio is too good.

I agree with you but you left out AMs

[Farrul]

There's no solution. If you meet a Shaman or a SH in lake and there's no healer around, you die. Even with a healer around you will probably die, because the amount of damage they can dish out + permanent 50% heal debuff will make most healers struggle.

Cherry on top, there are absolutely ungodly numbers of shamans and SH running around, whole premades of shamans. And i've seen entire sc made of nothing but SH and shamans.

Depends on the class / specs. SH is no threat by themselves to tanky character unless they duo with a shaman. For a fragile BW etc yeah it's pretty bad.

What needs to happen for SH: disarm becomes melee like the SW one, pet stops shooting through objects and ignore LoS, these are obvious things to look at.

As for shaman, has been in need of a toning down for a long time. Same for AM of course, they should not sustain so well if doing a lot of damage (hybrid specs).

[Sever1n]

Hybrids dont deal lot of dmg or healing, they are balancig between sustaine and dmg. So they are zero treath to anyone who have some form of sustaine, and cant work with hard burst dmg with healdebuffs. But they are absolute gods of dueling. Same with doks and wp that can kill any melle in duel, even RP can play some snare games and kill people. Problem lies not that much in heal dps specs, it lies in general lack of sustaine of other classes that heals abuse and have guarantied autowin in that scenario. In case of sham aditional problem in that hes basically untouchable uncatchable and punish you for chasing him. Thats why where hybrid AM can be dealt with, sham is abomination.