[PTS] Feedback on stats/formula/renown changes

[Nameless]

I just dont get why this combining of renown crit is done. What is the purpose, the goal? I dont see none beside may be slight buff to hybrid specs.

You all fear shammy and am but most benefit from that combine crit will got rp/zealot and if their dps spec become potent that will be significant buff but that is still mainly on 1v1 level of play

[Farrul]

Combining dps/heal crit is silly on many levels, may it never happen.

As for ranged/melee crit it makes some sense for ASW which hardly anyone plays these days, not sure who else will benefit that much.

[reyaloran]

Is 30-40% heal crit actually viable along with useful DPS stats? Like, is that actually possible with the gear AM/Sha gets access to? 14% crit costs 45 renown.

I just checked with the dps sham in my guild and he is running 50% magic crit at the moment total. So if they were truly combined that would give him a 60% chance to heal crit with the inherent 10% chance to heal crit all while in full dps gear.

Erm... you know I was on about combining the renown magic/heal crit, not combining all magic/heal crit right? My comment was in reply to the ranged/melee/magic crit renown getting merged.

I must have misread your statement then I took that as combine the melee and ranged crits and the magic crits into just 2 types of crit.

[Zxul]

Ok looking at stats a bit.

Since it is possible to get 800 toughness on any toons, 800 init should be possible as well. Lets take a healer with 800 init and 800 will, and maxed renown parry and dodge/disr. Total -40% to be crit (before base chance to be crit, but also not including FS or any -% to be crit on equip), 42% parry/dodge/disr. And that is before htl buffs, or say ib 20% parry buff that it can give to anyone.

As a side bonus, with 800 init all WHs/WEs will become perma visible.

Might get interesting.

[bw10]

the devs ability to ignore all sensible suggestions for years while at the same time coming up with **** nobody asked for is something else. theres 200 people online right now. what other numbers you need to understand these changes are not the way to go? i dont care its 9:00am. its still saturday and this game is good enough at its core to have 1k online at all times. just stop freaking killing it.

[Speedyluck]

terrible changes but no suprises. not one sensical change since the beginning of this year.

[BluIzLucky]

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What's the Opportunity crit stat tied to?
If it's Critical Hit, then according to my testing on previous versions that would also increase Heal Crit chance.


My hybrid AM used to run minimum 29% heal crit and 40-50% magic crit.

[Panel]

Hybrid healers should not get a free 45 rr due to combined crit ra.

Very poor idea.

And yet, hybrid melee/ranged DPS just got a free 45 RR due to combined crit renown (on the PTS anyway).

Damage/ healing are two seperate roles whilst melee/ranged are both means to produce damage. There is a huge difference.

Combining heal/dmg crit into one stat would make Shamans even more overpowered than they already are.

And AMS even bigger Abomination than they are now

[akisnaakkeli]

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What's the Opportunity crit stat tied to?
If it's Critical Hit, then according to my testing on previous versions that would also increase Heal Crit chance.


My hybrid AM used to run minimum 29% heal crit and 40-50% magic crit.

Melee Crit. And yes Critical Hit like Onslaught We/Wh/Bw/Sorc crit proc increases all crit. That is why 5% Melee crit Lini will stack with the 9% Crit from onslaught proc. Sorc/Bw get this general crit so they have 35% Heal crit with full mechanic, and Absorb Vitality used to crit heal in Aor. It's sorc dot that heals dmg done + the heal portion could crit.

This is why when Lotd talismans in Aor were very Op you could see 15% all crit talisman + 8% heal/melee/magic/ranged crit talisman giving you 23% Crit in 1 2h=)

[Fenris78]

AM and Shaman already got the 10% crit tactic wich is working for both heal and damage hits, really no need to blend the two crit from renown into one.

It makes sense for SH and SW because both roles are tied, and it's part of their mechanics with same purpose (doing DPS), and the biggest gripe here is the current inability to spec Crit from renown, since renown ranged crit is not converted to melee crit and vice-versa.

The downside here is to make Bullseye a mandatory tactic to get decent amount of crit, with double malus (taking a tactic slot AND 10% added ctbc), as soon you want to play melee mode.

Now it will (maybe) free a tactic slot to specialize even more, but it will need bigger renown investment into crit, with less into defensive stats wich in turn will make the classes even more glasscannon.
And SW especially doesnt need to be made more glasscannon than it is now.

The biggest issue here will be the absolute massacre of melee spec SH and SW, wich will lose about 20% parry from the silly Stat change, with their magnificent 240 initiative (7% parry), before was 700-800 WS (21-24% parry).
And the same for pretty much all melee characters, especially KotBS, Slayer, Choppa...

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As for hybrid healers, the point is to make compromises between the DPS role and Haling role, if every hybrid healer can get both for half the price, there is no need for pure healing or pure DPS specs, everyone will run hybrid and be god on DPS and Healing at the same time.

Even RP/Zealot, and to a smaller extend AM/Shaman mechanic wich give them a buff to DPS, dont need that (especially RP/Zealot wich already are converting Crit from stuff wich is already more porwerful than AM/Sham mechanic).